The Political Problem of Pornography

[Fleiur]

Sex-addict gunman targeted massage parlors to 'remove temptation'

Robert Aaron Long, 21, has been captured in southwest Georgia, hours after eight people were killed in shootings at three Atlanta-area massage parlors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Obviously, this is not Asian hate or racism towards Asians. This crime is evil. However, this man has a pornography problem that led him to become a sex addict. That should be the main takeaway from this incident. Pornography and its effect on our society and in men should be what we are discussing.

As we all know, pornography by its nature dehumanizes and degrades both the viewer and the viewed. Both are lessened by the experience.

 

[Abhorsen]

Sex-addict gunman targeted massage parlors to 'remove temptation'

Robert Aaron Long, 21, has been captured in southwest Georgia, hours after eight people were killed in shootings at three Atlanta-area massage parlors.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Obviously, this is not Asian hate or racism towards Asians. This crime is evil. However, this man has a pornography problem that led him to become a sex addict. That should be the main takeaway from this incident. Pornography and its effect on our society and in men should be what we are discussing.

As we all know, pornography by its nature dehumanizes and degrades both the viewer and the viewed. Both are lessened by the experience.

Sex very much isn't the problem here. It's a murderer who couldn't deal with his own problems like a normal person. We don't stop people painting pictures of Mohammed because other people will kill. The same goes for this.

 

[Fleiur]

Sex very much isn't the problem here. It's a murderer who couldn't deal with his own problems like a normal person. We don't stop people painting pictures of Mohammed because other people will kill. The same goes for this.

Like I said above, porn problems lead to sex addiction. That was his problem.
I'm just pointing out the effect pornography has on society as a whole. Sex is more than just consent, as we all know.

 

[Abhorsen]

Like I said above, porn problems lead to sex addiction. That was his problem.
I'm just pointing out the effect pornography has on society as a whole. Sex is more than just consent, as we all know.

Many things are more than just consent. Being a boxer will have long term serious consequences for your health and also can lead to a better life. A business deal can make or break your whole business. Same with sex, as it can change your life in some cases. But in all cases, legally speaking, all that should matter is informed consent of the participants. As far as politics goes, get the hell out.

 

[Fleiur]

Many things are more than just consent. Being a boxer will have long term serious consequences for your health and also can lead to a better life. A business deal can make or break your whole business. Same with sex, as it can change your life in some cases. But in all cases, legally speaking, all that should matter is informed consent of the participants. As far as politics goes, get the hell out.

No it is not the same. That's why most prostitutes end up addcits, alcoholics, or suicidal.

 

[FriedCFour]

But in all cases, legally speaking, all that should matter is informed consent of the participants. As far as politics goes, get the hell out

It’s absolutely destroying young men and women. The value of legal pornography is vastly outweighed by the destruction it’s wreaking on western society.

 

[Abhorsen]

No it is not the same. That's why most prostitutes end up addcits, alcoholics, or suicidal.

So do many boxers. It's 100% the same. IMO, it's their body, their choice. In yours, the government should control what they do with their bodies against their will.

It’s absolutely destroying young men and women. The value of legal pornography is vastly outweighed by the destruction it’s wreaking on western society.

If you really think pornography is the main problem with the west, you lost the plot a long time ago. Second, you don't seem to understand what freedom of speech means either, or just don't care about it.

 

[FriedCFour]

If you really think pornography is the main problem with the west, you lost the plot a long time ago.

it’s a pretty damn big one. Ultimately the biggest problem with the west is long term survival. Having children in families and raising them up well is the main concern with this. Pornography and everything else with the sexual revolution and feminism is a massive detriment to this. Porn isn’t itself the biggest problem, but it’s a major component of the biggest problem.

Second, you don't seem to understand what freedom of speech means either, or just don't care about it.

“Liberty” that leads to the death of everything else you love isn’t worth maintaining. “Liberty” is something you get for yourself and that you earn with virtue and merit. It’s not something that you somehow have inherently, and it’s not freedom to be a slave to your most base vices and controlled by your base animal urges. Allowing people legal freedom is good, especially when it makes them better people and citizens. You shouldn’t allow it if leads to the destruction of your society.

 

[Fleiur]

So do many boxers. It's 100% the same. It's their body, their choice.

That would be the case if a man was an island. It's not just the person's body that will be affected if that person will self destruct. It's his/her parents, siblings, his/her family.

 

[Abhorsen]

“Liberty” that leads to the death of everything else you love isn’t worth maintaining. “Liberty” is something you get for yourself and that you earn with virtue and merit. It’s not something that you somehow have inherently.

That you think that says a lot about you. It means a) you don't agree with the founding principles of America, b) you don't understand what freedom means.

That would be the case if a man was an island. It's not just the person's body that will be affected if that person will self destruct. It's his/her parents, siblings, his/her family.

So? That applies to boxing just as much, as it is also self destructive. I'm seeing no separation here.

Also, pornography being bad isn't enough of a reason to get rid of it. If you like freedom of speech at all, then harmful speech is 100% part of freedom of speech. Otherwise 'racist' speech is the first to be banned. Just look at the bans on misgendering in Canada.

 

[Robovski]

I'm not for banning porn because people can be addicted and harm you just I'm not for banning liquor or smoking or junk food because people can be addicted or harm you. Vice is it's own peril and pleasure and you must manage that.

 

[Fleiur]

Also, pornography being bad isn't enough of a reason to get rid of it. If you like freedom of speech at all, then harmful speech is 100% part of freedom of speech. Otherwise 'racist' speech is the first to be banned. Just look at the bans on misgendering in Canada

That was not the view of the Founders. From the time of the Revolution to the mid 20th century, obscenity laws were viewed as constitutional.

 

[FriedCFour]

That you think that says a lot about you. It means a) you don't agree with the founding principles of America, b) you don't understand what freedom means.

Yeah “the founding fathers were libertarians” bullshit myth cooked up by idiots at Cato and other think tanks isn’t something I feel like rehashing. The founding fathers didn’t even create the nation. They were it’s leadership but America is a land and a people, it’s blood and soil. Nations are not synonymous with government. The people were pretty Christian and didn’t like these things, and I don’t think that adherence to some hardline on liberty that kills your country is good. At the bare minimum porn should be treated like cigarettes with similar regulation and stigmatization. Also more people need to send parents their daughters only fans. Those men are heroes.

 

[Abhorsen]

That was not the view of the Founders. From the time of the Revolution to the mid 20th century, obscenity laws were viewed as constitutional.

Free speech rights in general only began being enforced at the federal level around 1920s and onwards, with the first decent case being in 1937. People were successfully convicted for organizing a Communist Party as late as 1951. So that objection means very little.

Yeah “the founding fathers were libertarians” bullshit myth cooked up by idiots at Cato and other think tanks isn’t something I feel like rehashing. The founding fathers didn’t even create the nation. They were it’s leadership but America is a land and a people, it’s blood and soil. Nations are not synonymous with government. The people were pretty Christian and didn’t like these things, and I don’t think that adherence to some hardline on liberty that kills your country is good.

This is very cute, but I didn't claim they were libertarians. Or actually anything about the founding fathers other than what they wrote down. They decided to write down freedom of speech as an important American value. You can't escape that. And freedom of speech means porn is legal.

 

[FriedCFour]

This is very cute, but I didn't claim they were libertarians. Or actually anything about the founding fathers other than what they wrote down. They decided to write down freedom of speech as an important American value. You can't escape that. And freedom of speech means porn is legal.

Obscenity lol. Regardless of that it should be treated as a drug not speech. It’s a supernormal stimulus preying upon your strongest drive next to your drive to stay alive that’s stupidly readily available and free and the average age of beginning of usage now is 11 years old. This is not good, and just saying “muh freedom” as it does major harm to our social fabric is a terrible response. What’s more important, freedom or the survival of your society, your culture, your nation?

 

[Fleiur]

People were successfully convicted for organizing a Communist Party as late as 1951. So that objection means very little.

A pity that stopped.

 

[ShieldWife]

One can think that people have the right to do as they please with their own bodies while still thinking that pornography is a big problem, as well as other sorts of completely consensual sexual (mis)behaviors. Conservatives are probably not going to get any laws passed our way in the near future and we’d be foolish to want to give the government any tools to curtail free expression even if we could, because we’re their primary targets, not pornographers.

But - even if you don’t outlaw pornography we can still talk about the harms that it can cause and encourage people to use their freedoms to choose not to support the porn industry.

Really, is it healthy to have a society where a typical boy’s first exposure to sex is watching pornography as a 10 year old? Is it healthy for a girl’s first exposure to sex to be at the age of 12 with a 15 year old boy who has been watching pornography since he’s been 10?

Murdering sex workers is rare and it certainly shouldn’t cause us to change our laws or policies when one wacko murders some people. We shouldn’t be looking at the extreme cases though, we should be looking at the harm that our “sexual liberation” is causing to tens or hundreds of millions of people. Promiscuity is a big reason why we have so many divorces and single mothers, the children of whom are worse on about every metric, including being more likely to commit heinous crimes or become single mothers themselves. Our dysfunctional relationships between men and women, which is grounded in large part in promiscuity, leads to fewer children and ultimately to the decline of Western civilization itself. Single mothers are more likely to be bad parents, to rely on the state or babysitters, making them both demand more intrusive government and making their children more susceptible to leftist propaganda including the sexual variety.

Shooting up massage parlors is a very rare event, tragic but not that important in the big picture. What we should worry about instead is the death of a thousand cuts that our nations experience in large part due to sexual misbehavior.

 

[Abhorsen]

A pity that stopped.

I mean, that's the point about America. You are free to do stupid things. You still haven't made a good point about porn being different from other speech.

Obscenity lol. Regardless of that it should be treated as a drug not speech. It’s a supernormal stimulus preying upon your strongest drive next to your drive to stay alive that’s stupidly readily available and free and the average age of beginning of usage now is 11 years old. This is not good, and just saying “muh freedom” as it does major harm to our social fabric is a terrible response. What’s more important, freedom or the survival of your society, your culture, your nation?

See, my society (America, FUCK YEAH) depends on freedom of speech. It's right in one of its founding documents. There's more than one way to kill America, and you are proposing one right now. See, there's a lot of speech that harms people in the world. From advocating for stupid opinions, to proselytizing wrong religions, to porn, to Yankees fans being happy. But in the founding fathers' wisdom, they knew that government shouldn't have a role in it, and so enacted the first amendment to stop them from doing this, and then later this was extended to the states. It is a fundamental American value that people are free to speak their minds, even if it does do harm.

Freedom is not some easy concept for the faint of heart. In means letting people you hate speak too. But you seem to enjoy only caring about things that align with your viewpoint, and want to deny rights to people who disagree. You are just as bad as the leftist who want to legally ban other speech, only your stupidity is thankfully impotent. The fact that you refer to America's bill of rights as 'muh freedoms' is an absolute disgrace, and I hope you are not American, because it shows how little you care about America and her values. You too are America's enemy, seeking to kill her from within, and turn her into something unrecognizable.

 

[Bacle]

"Give me liberty, or give me death." Is one of the most potent lines to come out of the early days of the US, and for good reason.

 

[ShieldWife]

To clarify my above post, I am against outlawing pornography. I am in favor of people choosing, and encouraging others to choose, not to partake in activities which are harmful to themselves and their society. Also, that parents should actually parent their kids. The government is not going to fix this issue for us, it is in the hands of individuals.