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The Political Problem of Pornography

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The truth is that this was a crazy man,
Oh fuck off. I work with a fitness group and general life improvement group and the number of young men who struggle with addiction to porn that without exception starts when they are young, often pre teens, it’s pretty clear that it’s a major issue and it has significant impact and every one of them when they quit and have it gone and have beaten the withdrawal and the urges they feel much better and more improvement. I went through the same thing and I’m doing better now too, my life has improved measurably. The issue isn’t those who can muster up the willpower and admit to their issues and work through it, it’s all the damage it causes along the way and goes there’s so many who don’t realize it.
 

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Nope. 21 is the age of legal majority. Always has been. Until then you are the responsibility of your father or the master who has taken you as apprentice.
And yet we can send 18 yo to die for their nation, charge them as adults in crimes, and allow them to vote.

But go ahead, keep showing how much if an authoritarian, puritanical idiot you are.
 

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Could be mind control lasers for as much as you know the true root cause. Maybe he was exposed to alcohol as a fetus. Maybe he was laughed at by a girl or boy that one time. But you want to use a tragedy for your political aim to subvert rights and fuck that is what I say.

There is a wealth of data on this, it diminishes your grey matter in your pre frontal cortex which subsequently damages impulse control and your decision making capabilities, which obviously would make it harder to quit. Maybe we should do something about this. Maybe we should stop pretending people aren’t impacted by stimuli or that society doesn’t play a big role in shaping them to be who they are. Maybe we shouldn’t hold to pull yourself up by your bootstraps retardation. And if you call yourself a conservative maybe you should actually want to do something about that so we can conserve something.
 

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It operates on the same chemicals as many drugs, dopamine and serotonin and is tied to one of your strongest biological drives. It’s tied to one of the reasons that the constitution was made, the general welfare of the public.
Says the man who argued that loot boxes were not gambling, despite the fact that they both prey on the same psychological weaknesses.

You only defend porn because you are an addict and if you deny it you’re lying to us and yourself. Either way, I know you’re wrong so I’m not going to go along with your nonsense.
And thus we are at an impasse; neither of us is ever going to agree with the other person, so we just end up shouting past each other.

Oh fuck off. I work with a fitness group and general life improvement group and the number of young men who struggle with addiction to porn that without exception starts when they are young, often pre teens, it’s pretty clear that it’s a major issue and it has significant impact and every one of them when they quit and have it gone and have beaten the withdrawal and the urges they feel much better and more improvement. I went through the same thing and I’m doing better now too, my life has improved measurably. The issue isn’t those who can muster up the willpower and admit to their issues and work through it, it’s all the damage it causes along the way and goes there’s so many who don’t realize it.
Fuck off yourself; you shat on me when I tried to bring up my own personal experience in working with the homeless in an argument, so if my anecdotal evidence was irrelevant then, than so is yours now. Then again, that would require you to not be a hypocrite, which I know is beyond you; so why do I even bother?
 

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Says the man who argued that loot boxes were not gambling, despite the fact that they both prey on the same psychological weaknesses.
Blame me having retarded lolbertarian impulses at the time.


And thus we are at an impasse; neither of us is ever going to agree with the other person, so we just end up shouting past each other.
I say that to mock your point. I think it’s really dumb to just say “you’re lying.” If you’re going to discuss with people you have to use empathy and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are being honest about what their beliefs are.


Fuck off yourself; you shat on me when I tried to bring up my own personal experience in working with the homeless in an argument, so if my anecdotal evidence was irrelevant then, than so is yours now.
Yeah sure there’s anecdotal but I didn’t just rely on anecdotes. I’d also say I’ve softened there as I’ve rejected libertarianism, and I would say there is nothing conservative about not wanting to help people. This isn’t hypocrisy it’s changing beliefs.
 

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I say that to mock your point. I think it’s really dumb to just say “you’re lying.” If you’re going to discuss with people you have to use empathy and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are being honest about what their beliefs are.
Which you have utterly failed at doing for as long as I've known you; so maybe you should take your own advice?
 

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Could be mind control lasers for as much as you know the true root cause. Maybe he was exposed to alcohol as a fetus. Maybe he was laughed at by a girl or boy that one time. But you want to use a tragedy for your political aim to subvert rights and fuck that is what I say.
You're wrong, again, he's a sex addict. Stop making up stories. Furthermore, I'm not the one making this political. People on the mainstreams called this Asian hate and racism. I'm just pointing out what happened and the cause.
 

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There is a wealth of data on this, it diminishes your grey matter in your pre frontal cortex which subsequently damages impulse control and your decision making capabilities, which obviously would make it harder to quit. Maybe we should do something about this. Maybe we should stop pretending people aren’t impacted by stimuli or that society doesn’t play a big role in shaping them to be who they are. Maybe we shouldn’t hold to pull yourself up by your bootstraps retardation. And if you call yourself a conservative maybe you should actually want to do something about that so we can conserve something.
Your assumption I am a conservative is laughable. Again, a pox on both your houses, I remain part of the fighting 1%, a Libertarian. Just because you can do something that can harm you because you lack the will to handle it or the shame to avoid it does not mean it should be illegal. I will happily grant that such things are not for children, but I do want a consistent age for what is considered an adult. You want to do something about it as part of society? Go ahead. But as always, the first response is "There otta be a law!" is the answer to anything people don't like and it's also ruining society and undermining the fundamental rights we have. Go find a church, they want to buy what you are selling.
 

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Which you have utterly failed at doing for as long as I've known you; so maybe you should take your own advice?
Terth, I was and still am willing to reach out and help you to fix your resume and do a deep examination into what went wrong in job hunting. I try as much as I can to understand political positions and why people believe what they believe. It’s why I subject myself to people like Captain X and Abhorsen who are intent on dismissing everything I believe as theocracy and attacking my patriotism and how American I am despite all the personal value I have on that identity and how much physical turmoil and sacrifice I’ve put in towards my country. It helps me to understand their politics and their beliefs and what they value and find important and what their conception of America and American values are.
 

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Because of how it’s an extremely available supernormal stimuli preying on one of your top biological drives that’s extremely easy to access and warps your sexual drive and sexuality into depravity that the average age of exposure to is 11. If that isn’t impacting the general welfare than nothing is.
Lots of things "impact general welfare". What do you think has been more corrosive to society, boobs or Twitter culture? Is porn causing as much damage as a generation of mismanaged kids that have never heard the word "no"?

You probably see where this us going. I'm not arguing it's totally harmless or that the way our culture engages with sexuality is healthy, but there's a big leap from that, to where you are.
 

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Lots of things "impact general welfare". What do you think has been more corrosive to society, boobs or Twitter culture? Is porn causing as much damage as a generation of mismanaged kids that have never heard the word "no"?
Internet porn, unless you can show me comparable damage to the pre frontal cortex as well as something similar to the supernormal stimuli that engages the Coolidge effect on steroids and starts when you are a child still developing.
 

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Internet porn.
Really? The Arab Spring was less harmful in the long run? Obliteration of attention span is less significant? You feel pornography more damaging than a theater to display false consensus? There's a big difference between the psychological issues of overexposure to sexuality and trivially losing all touch with reality.
 

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Really? The Arab Spring was less harmful in the long run? Obliteration of attention span is less significant? You feel pornography more damaging than a theater to display false consensus?
Porn has clear impact in the obliteration of attention span, and does more than just that. The Arab spring I couldn’t care much about except our involvement in it.
 
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Porn has clear impact in the obliteration of attention span, and does more than just that.
Really? More than your primary social interaction being confined to greater abbreviation and lower turnaround than text messages by phone? Having the dregs of the entire planet shouting in your ear filtered by San Francisco (or is it San Diego? Can't recall Silicone Valley off the top of my head...) techies?

Porn messes with your head a bit, Twitter et al actively obstruct seeing reality.
 
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