The Political Problem of Pornography

[GoldRanger]

Thinking about this post today, and it reminded me of something that happened recently.

I was catching up with one of my high school friends recently. The subject of pornography came up and he talked about watching it like it's a perfectly normal thing for a 28-year-old adult man with a good job to do. I told him that if I had absolute power, I would use it to ban pornography and execute pornographers.

It was hard to convince him that I wasn't joking. When he realized I was dead serious he didn't know what to think. It was shocking to him that I found it repulsive, that I never watch it, that I advise no one partake in it, and that I think it's a cognitive poison that destroys normal, healthy human sexuality.

The point of this isn't to brag about what a staunchly conservative Internet Tough Guy I am, but that my friend and many others like him can't even imagine a life without their precious pr0n and constant cummies. The shock and confusion in his face was very telling. Porn is as much a part of modern male life as breathing, eating, drinking. "How do you NOT watch porn, dude?" is something I've heard many times from acquaintances but, thankfully, only a handful of my friends. I've managed to get a lot of them to stop the stuff and they thank me all the time for it. They thought it was no problem too, until I suggested they try and go without it... then they realized what a hold it had on them. Being anti-porn is one of the few right-wing views you can still have in polite society, so I push it as much as possible.

Of course he had that reaction, that's because you're basically a moron. I'm 33, watch porn regularly, am married in a healthy relationship and a healthy sex life, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Everyone I know are basically the same as me. But at least you and @Lanmandragon are not hiding your true faces. Execute pornographers? I'd rather execute authoritarians like yourself (no joke).

 

[Deleted member 88]

Its like we live in a degenerate and insane culture where those who bring reason and light are shunned.

 

[GoldRanger]

Its like we live in a degenerate and insane culture where those who bring reason and light are shunned.

Everything that goes against stone age Abrahamic tribal nonsense is "degenerate". "Degenerate" is just as much of a buzzword as "racist" and "fascist".

 

[Duke Nukem]

Right wing moral crusaders are almost as bad as the damn commies.

 

[LordsFire]

I know this will sound callous, but I have little interest in the concerns, sentiments, feelings, or state of the prostitutes. They exist to serve a need, nothing else.

You know, I could have sworn at some point that you claimed to be a follower of Christ. I guess I must be misremembering.

Everything that goes against stone age Abrahamic tribal nonsense is "degenerate". "Degenerate" is just as much of a buzzword as "racist" and "fascist".

Not really. Being a degenerate never (in the US) had the power to get your life destroyed like 'racist' does.

Right wing moral crusaders are almost as bad as the damn commies.

Not hardly. When the right wing had more cultural control, the worst of it was that in some states, if you were publicly known and provably an active homosexual, that could result in criminal prosecution. That was absolutely an issue, but it's not a patch on what the left has done, is trying to do, or will do if allowed to go too far. The left will destroy you if something you said thirty years ago and don't even believe anymore comes to light.

When the 'moral majority' held some level of cultural dominance, you could still talk about the things they disagreed with you about, and have a life, a job, etc. You might get kicked out of some specific churches, but not public life in general.

When the right had cultural dominance, it was made clear what was morally unacceptable. They didn't try to destroy people who disagreed with their orthodoxy, they just shunned them. Yes, some fringe elements tried to destroy people, but those fringe elements never took control of the movement as a whole.

 

[Deleted member 88]

You know, I could have sworn at some point that you claimed to be a follower of Christ. I guess I must be misremembering.

Don't play that card with me. There is probably no one on the Sietch who despises iniquity as fervently as I do. Who if given the power to do so, would make sure degenerate behavior was publicly stamped out.

 

[LordsFire]

Don't play that card with me. There is probably no one on the Sietch who despises iniquity as fervently as I do. Who if given the power to do so, would make sure degenerate behavior was publicly stamped out.

The dominant Christian ethic is Love. If you have a utilitarian and uncaring attitude towards some of the most exploited people in society (prostitutes), you very blatantly do not value Love very highly.

If you want to claim to be a follower of Christ, I suggest you take a very critical look at what your ideology actually is, compared to what Christ taught, and especially lived, in how he interacted with prostitutes.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

I'm 33, watch porn regularly, am married in a healthy relationship and a healthy sex life

You'e a libertarian, so I already assumed you were a coomer. Thanks for reconfirming my prejudices. I'll be praying for you.

🙏

 

[DarthOne]

The dominant Christian ethic is Love. If you have a utilitarian and uncaring attitude towards some of the most exploited people in society (prostitutes), you very blatantly do not value Love very highly.

If you want to claim to be a follower of Christ, I suggest you take a very critical look at what your ideology actually is, compared to what Christ taught, and especially lived, in how he interacted with prostitutes.

Forgive me, as I am not an expert on Christian theology, but love and compassion doesn’t mean that you agree with or cannot condemn the moral failing of others.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

If you want to claim to be a follower of Christ, I suggest you take a very critical look at what your ideology actually is, compared to what Christ taught, and especially lived, in how he interacted with prostitutes.

If you'd actually read the Bible you'd know that "neither do I condemn you" is immediately followed by "now go and sin no more."

 

[GoldRanger]

Right wing moral crusaders are almost as bad as the damn commies.

Not almost, exactly as. Horseshoe theory.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Not almost, exactly as. Horseshoe theory.

Aw man, not this shit again.

 

[GoldRanger]

You'e a libertarian, so I already assumed you were a coomer. Thanks for reconfirming my prejudices. I'll be praying for you.

🙏

I'll be rubbing one off this evening especially for you, sweety.

 

[GoldRanger]

Aw man, not this shit again.

Oh noes, a MEME! What a splendid rebuttal! (Meanwhile you and the most radical of feminist basically have completely identical talking points).

 

[DarthOne]

I'll be rubbing one off this evening especially for you, sweety.

Don’t be childish dude.

Oh noes, a MEME! What a splendid rebuttal! (Meanwhile you and the most radical of feminist basically have completely identical talking points).

I’ve yet to see any radical feminists being in favor of patriotism much less embracing the family unit. In fact they tend to be in favor of the exact opposite of those because Muh independence and teh Patriarchy.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

(Meanwhile you and the most radical of feminist basically have completely identical talking points).

you're a joke and you worship an ideology of drug pushers and child starvation apologists

 

[LordsFire]

Forgive me, as I am not an expert on Christian theology, but love and compassion doesn’t mean that you agree with or cannot condemn the moral failing of others.

I didn't say that. Prostitution is wrong. Making use of it is wrong. It is harmful to both the prostitute, and the one choosing to make use of it.

That does not justify this kind of attitude:

I know this will sound callous, but I have little interest in the concerns, sentiments, feelings, or state of the prostitutes. They exist to serve a need, nothing else.

Most prostitution is a product of coercion, or outright sex-slavery. That should absolutely be illegal. A legitimate argument can be made about whether or not non-coercive prostitution should be legal (I believe it should be, on the grounds that extra-marital sex between consenting adults is not the government's business to regulate, though I still think it is immoral), but that's a very different argument than the legality of coercive prostitution.

If you'd actually read the Bible you'd know that "neither do I condemn you" is immediately followed by "now go and sin no more."

I have. I've read it extensively, repeatedly, and read more of it daily. I never said prostitution was right, so don't go putting words in my mouth. I said that callous disregard for prostitution was completely antithetical to Christ's teachings and demonstrated behavior.

 

[Abhorsen]

Not really. Being a degenerate never (in the US) had the power to get your life destroyed like 'racist' does.

It used to, but now it doesn't. That's a sign of progress. Being gay and outed was the 'racist' of yesterday. Both are sudden and surprising, both can lead to sudden being ostracized from one's community and family, etc. Sometimes people could get through it, but frequently it would end them. It was a horrible thing. And worse, the cops were in on it. Going to a gay bar and getting caught wasn't going to end with you in prison, but with your name in the paper (the New York Vice Squad would do this all the time), publicly shaming you.

And the fact that the LGBT community is doing it now to others that don't deserve it is sad, somewhat hypocritical, but not surprising: abuse victims committing that same abuse to others is fairly common.

I’ve yet to see any radical feminists being in favor of patriotism much less embracing the family unit. In fact they tend to be in favor of the exact opposite of those because Muh independence and teh Patriarchy.

No, the branding is different, but the result is the same. Both demand other people obey their morality, dehumanize those who don't, then demand the government to punish their enemies while whining about oppression.

 

[DarthOne]

No, the branding is different, but the result is the same. Both demand other people obey their morality, dehumanize those who don't, then demand the government to punish their enemies while whining about oppression.

That’s really stretching it.

 

[GoldRanger]

Don’t be childish dude.

Interesting that you didn't say the same thing to him over his "praying" remark, which is basically the same thing.

I’ve yet to see any radical feminists being in favor of patriotism much less embracing the family unit. In fact they tend to be in favor of the exact opposite of those because Muh independence and teh Patriarchy.

The details are different but the gist of it is the same. Porn is bad, women need more modesty et cetera. One is trying to force a broad category of prople people to do thing X against their will, the other is trying to force people to do Y against their will. Both are shit whose place is in some African shithole, not in civilized society.