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The Immortal Watch Dog

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In that case time to build some USNC style ships.
Also to put it bluntly Goa'uld you'll have to suck it up about Battlestar based designs they're about the most efficient carrier/battleship hull you can build

I was gonna shout out to Macross and BSG and Space Battleship Yamato with the Tau'Ri navy looking more like subs/old style warships, with the exception of the Yorktown which will look like the Galactica except with more fighter pods and less railguns and more pump lasers/primitive plasma cannons.

And some unholy monstrosity that can just dump old "decommissioned" cold war era nuclear payloads in modern Naquadah enhanced missiles at everything,.
 

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I was gonna shout out to Macross and BSG and Space Battleship Yamato with the Tau'Ri navy looking more like subs/old style warships, with the exception of the Yorktown which will look like the Galactica except with more fighter pods and less railguns and more pump lasers/primitive plasma cannons.

And some unholy monstrosity that can just dump old "decommissioned" cold war era nuclear payloads in modern Naquadah enhanced missiles at everything,.


So...not the 303 and 304s we saw in the show? That's a bit of a let down...
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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So...not the 303 and 304s we saw in the show? That's a bit of a let down...

No, but there's an inunivers reason for that, which I've been alluding too for awhile.

And why they didn't look at Trump as if he was retarded when he said "I want four ships built in a year."

Break out the Super MACs boys. Mind you even with solid slugs a UNSC super MAC has a yield of 46.5 gigatons and fire every five or so seconds so yeah powering the things would be hard

Right, which is why they will eventually have to start buying tech plans from Ba'al or something because their ability to reverse engineer tech is going to outpace their ability to fuel it.
 

adam417

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I said on a per person basis not on an absolute scale
I think Earth is on an even worse basis per person than as countries or planet wise.
Given what we have seen on the selective genetic engineering in this and the selective breeding just from base labour any of thier laburers would trounce any earthling (just on a manual labour planet) and it would continue up the labour chain any factory worker has 100,000 years of ohs and best practice knowledge behind them for any built world and any advanced world has had 100,000 years of progression from basic smart phone to implants.
TLDR
earth is the underdog in every respect regarding production.
 

Knowledgeispower

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No, but there's an inunivers reason for that, which I've been alluding too for awhile.

And why they didn't look at Trump as if he was retarded when he said "I want four ships built in a year."



Right, which is why they will eventually have to start buying tech plans from Ba'al or something because their ability to reverse engineer tech is going to outpace their ability to fuel it.
Nah in the case of a Super Mac just slap a couple dozen Naquadah reactors on the thing and your good.

As for why we won't see 303s and 304s at least for a fair bit of time its because they're massively more advanced than what is currently available on Earth. I mean sure they'd love to build 304s especially post unending ones but the tech just isn't there and right now Earth needs hull numbers to start building its fleet above all else. Even if the first few ships will be fairly obsolescent as combat vessels in say a decade they'll still have a use as training ships and as vessels to haul stuff to orbit and around the Sol system
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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I think Earth is on an even worse basis per person than as countries or planet wise.
Given what we have seen on the selective genetic engineering in this and the selective breeding just from base labour any of thier laburers would trounce any earthling (just on a manual labour planet) and it would continue up the labour chain any factory worker has 100,000 years of ohs and best practice knowledge behind them for any built world and any advanced world has had 100,000 years of progression from basic smart phone to implants.
TLDR
earth is the underdog in every respect regarding production.

It's funny you mention this because I'm debating on how to approach that when the SG teams do run into worlds a century or so ahead of them.

Because I could see some of those worlds abandoning such tech due to the social issues such things cause, or having a much more "living gods" take on the System Lords or see them as benefactors who are owed allegiance because they rebuilt the local galactic group etc...Which in turn allows them to have avoided all the social decay due to having an anchored society.

The sheer age of tradition is going to depend. Lotar worlds have 40 or so thousand years. The ones with Serrakins and other species will range from twice that to longer even than the Goa'uld themselves as many of the races that were clients of the Ori joined the Empire.

Granted most of them had been smashed back to the dark ages but yeah.

This is a civilization that had existed for a hundred thousand years.

Another thing too is with all the genetic engineering that you noted Earth aesthetics will be rather ordinary...which ironically might make Tau'Ri more exotic.

Aesthetically any way.

I haven't thought about how much of the census for the Empire is genetically engineered. I need to probably sit down and think about if

Nah in the case of a Super Mac just slap a couple dozen Naquadah reactors on the thing and your good.

As for why we won't see 303s and 304s at least for a fair bit of time its because they're massively more advanced than what is currently available on Earth. I mean sure they'd love to build 304s especially post unending ones but the tech just isn't there and right now Earth needs hull numbers to start building its fleet above all else. Even if the first few ships will be fairly obsolescent as combat vessels in say a decade they'll still have a use as training ships and as vessels to haul stuff to orbit and around the Sol system

There's this too, there's a chance you guys may see the Deadalous design in the field at least before the story ends.
 
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Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Another thing too is with all the genetic engineering that you noted Earth aesthetics will be rather ordinary...which ironically might make Tau'Ri more exotic.

Aesthetically any way.
so a lot of the Galaxy looks physically like what Canopus's would probably look like circa 3150 if the Star League had never fallen and it had eventually been given full membership? Huh neat
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
I was gonna shout out to Macross and BSG and Space Battleship Yamato with the Tau'Ri navy looking more like subs/old style warships, with the exception of the Yorktown which will look like the Galactica except with more fighter pods and less railguns and more pump lasers/primitive plasma cannons.

And some unholy monstrosity that can just dump old "decommissioned" cold war era nuclear payloads in modern Naquadah enhanced missiles at everything,.

Nice idea, always a big fan of the naval-ish look for space warships.

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Logical to start with relatively small craft that use existing skills and design principles. Must be easier to build something vaguely ship like as an early space craft as you'd already have good idea what sort of tolerances and strength the basic shape has. Probably easier for your workmen to handle too as they are familiar shapes and sytems layouts.

I guess as you go on you can simplify and enlarge into the 304 style designs, or go ambitious -cough-Warlock-cough- but sounds a logical start.

Also something I planned for the SG fic with Spartan but never got round to, Space Bombers. Well sort of. I figured if a jump drive and reactor is small enough to fit in a shuttle then you could make something like an enlarged B-1 bomber, give it crew and supplies for say a week of operation, then just send them to launch nukes at things. Not so much warships, more factories, cities, convoys perhaps.
Building a huge warship is nice, but it can only be in one place at a time and sometimes you don't need such a huge expensive asset to go do a mission. Small and cheap could be very handy for a nation just starting out.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Nice idea, always a big fan of the naval-ish look for space warships.

SCB8808ASHITAKA.jpg


Logical to start with relatively small craft that use existing skills and design principles. Must be easier to build something vaguely ship like as an early space craft as you'd already have good idea what sort of tolerances and strength the basic shape has. Probably easier for your workmen to handle too as they are familiar shapes and sytems layouts.

Yes! And thank God you read my fic because between you @bullethead @Knowledgeispower and @Spartan303 I've had a constant run of quality inspired info on the ships and weaponry and gear.

I was thinking of going with Earth's first fleet being six destroyers in the vein of the Ashitaka, two carriers who would have a bunch of fighters and a couple bombers and maybe the best shields to protect them and a few missile ships.

Doable because they'd be going with familiar designs as you said and they'll get a little more help in the form of some snake benefactors as the war with apophis drags on.

Eventually expanding from there.

I guess as you go on you can simplify and enlarge into the 304 style designs, or go ambitious -cough-Warlock-cough- but sounds a logical start

Ah yeah no the USSF is getting its own version of the Warlock. I might name the first one the Arizona and once some international players get involved I imagine a Musashi or Yamato as well as I've said before.
Also something I planned for the SG fic with Spartan but never got round to, Space Bombers. Well sort of. I figured if a jump drive and reactor is small enough to fit in a shuttle then you could make something like an enlarged B-1 bomber, give it crew and supplies for say a week of operation, then just send them to launch nukes at things. Not so much warships, more factories, cities, convoys perhaps.
Building a huge warship is nice, but it can only be in one place at a time and sometimes you don't need such a huge expensive asset to go do a mission. Small and cheap could be very handy for a nation just starting out.

Would you two mind if I eventually plunder this idea?
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
Yeah more than welcome to use it if you like. I'd guess same idea can work for something like a space C-130 too if a gate wasn't available and you needed to drop small units. Again low tech-ish and should be well within human aerospace industry capabilities. Add a cloak if you can find some and they could be quite useful.

Not sure if you know this blog but the guy does fan designs for Yamato type ships


Probably not an exact fit for your ideas but might help. If nothing else pretty pictures :p
 

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