Transgender Athletes in Sports

I watched the trailer for that movie. It makes me alittle sad.

On one hand, it could actually be funny. I miss the older form of comedies that could be crude and and PC about everything.

On the other hand, actively mean-spirited comedy isn't funny, and it feels very much that the movie is just mean-spirited.

The situation of a bunch of very obvious men competing in a women's league could be funny. But... not when it's just actively attacking people.
 
evilchumlee said:
I watched the trailer for that movie. It makes me alittle sad.

On one hand, it could actually be funny. I miss the older form of comedies that could be crude and and PC about everything.

On the other hand, actively mean-spirited comedy isn't funny, and it feels very much that the movie is just mean-spirited.

The situation of a bunch of very obvious men competing in a women's league could be funny. But... not when it's just actively attacking people.
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Who is it actively attacking?
 
Rocinante said:
Who is it actively attacking?
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Do you actually need it explained?

The trailer itself starts with "the most triggering comedy of the year". It's proud of that. It's doing it on purpose. It's actively trying to get rise out of certain groups.

That's not cool for comedy.
 
Zachowon said:
Blazing Saddles is not funny then.
Got it.
Neither is any Mel Brooks movie.
Shame you hate good comedy
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You apparently do not understand context or the point.

Blazing Saddles is an incredible and rare comedy. It can be offensive, but if you're offended by it... you missed the point of the movie.

Blazing Saddles is no absolutely no way a mean spirited movie.

This movie... I haven't seen it obviously... but something tells me we are not supposed to be laughing with someone, we supposed to be laughing at them.
 
evilchumlee said:
You apparently do not understand context or the point.

Blazing Saddles is an incredible and rare comedy. It can be offensive, but if you're offended by it... you missed the point of the movie.

Blazing Saddles is no absolutely no way a mean spirited movie.

This movie... I haven't seen it obviously... but something tells me we are not supposed to be laughing with someone, we supposed to be laughing at them.
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We are supposed to be laughing at an Ideology.

Which is the point of satire.
 
Rocinante said:
We are supposed to be laughing at an Ideology.

Which is the point of satire.
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Sure.

I'm not sure i'm communicating my point effectively as it does not seem to getting understood, so I apologize for that. I don't think I can effectively convey what i'm trying to say, so i'll leave it there.
 
Obviously feminists are not happy with this.

So it happens again: leftism turns on itself. Right now "transsexuals" (i.e. insane people) rank higher on the so-called "progressive stack" than feminists, who for decades ruled the roost. But what are feminists to do? The same arguments they used against men are now being used against them.

Obviously so-called "trans-women" can beat actual women at sports. So feminists lose in more than one way.

Their usefulness has clearly come to an end. But I do not feel the least bit sorry for them.
 
evilchumlee said:
Sure.

I'm not sure i'm communicating my point effectively as it does not seem to getting understood, so I apologize for that. I don't think I can effectively convey what i'm trying to say, so i'll leave it there.
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What I think you're trying to say is that you don't like this particular satire, because by attacking that ideology, you feel as if it is attacking a marginalized group in a mean spirited way.

This isn't an attack - this is me trying to steelman your argument.

I disagree with it, but I am honestly interested in your opinion on it. Did I portray it accurately?

If so, my response to that is that I still think it's okay, because most satire can be construed that way, unless it's "punching up."

It's entirely possible that you follow that "no punching down in comedy" position that I have heard from a lot of left wingers. Again, I disagree with that, but I am trying to Steelman and understand your argument.
 
Rocinante said:
It's entirely possible that you follow that "no punching down in comedy" position that I have heard from a lot of left wingers. Again, I disagree with that, but I am trying to Steelman and understand your argument.
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That's much closer, yes. I don't know that I would say no punching down, but if you are going to punch down it should be a bit calculated. It's the intent... are we punching down because there are some potentially funny observations that can be made, or are we punching down because "fuck those people"?

That's where comedy stops being funny, to me anyway. Others are free to disagree.
 
Rocinante said:
What I think you're trying to say is that you don't like this particular satire, because by attacking that ideology, you feel as if it is attacking a marginalized group in a mean spirited way.

This isn't an attack - this is me trying to steelman your argument.

I disagree with it, but I am honestly interested in your opinion on it. Did I portray it accurately?

If so, my response to that is that I still think it's okay, because most satire can be construed that way, unless it's "punching up."

It's entirely possible that you follow that "no punching down in comedy" position that I have heard from a lot of left wingers. Again, I disagree with that, but I am trying to Steelman and understand your argument.
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I'm not sure how "marginalized" I would consider trans males. They can say whatever they want go wherever they want do whatever they want (including beating up girls/women) to whoever they want to do it to. If you say anything in protest you risk your life being destroyed. Doesn't sound marginalized to me.🙄
 
Wilykit said:
I'm not sure how "marginalized" I would consider trans males. They can say whatever they want go wherever they want do whatever they want (including beating up girls/women) to whoever they want to do it to. If you say anything in protest you risk your life being destroyed. Doesn't sound marginalized to me.🙄
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I'm in thorough agreement with you.

But I was steelmanning the poster's argument.

I don't agree with him, but I wanted to be sure I understood his position on the matter.
 
50-year-old trans swimmer shared locker room while competing against teens: 'The girls were terrified'

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50-year-old trans swimmer shared locker room while competing against teens: ‘The girls were terrified’

Irate parents were forced to build a makeshift tent out of towels to shield their teenage daughters from a 50-year-old transgender woman who was sharing a locker room with the young girls at a swim…
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A 50-year-old transgender swimmer was allowed to compete against teenage girls at an event in Canada — with horrified parents building a makeshift tent out of towels to shield girls as young as 8 in the locker room.

Melody Wiseheart, who once competed under the name Nicholas Cepeda, sparked outrage while competing during the Trojan Cup in Barrie, Ontario.

"The girls were terrified," an unidentified parent of one of the teenagers told the Toronto Sun of having to share a locker room with the much older trans swimmer.

"It's all so confusing for the kids," another parent said. "No one is comfortable.

"Everyone is accepting of all people, but them swimming against our kids and being in a locker room with them is not appropriate."

Wiseheart, a professor at York University, participated in several events at the event over the first three days of December, including the women's 1500-meter freestyle for athletes 16 and older, in which she placed second.

She has reportedly been competing against girls since 2019.

Wiseheart was also spotted entering the locker room ahead of the event, and at least one concerned parent said they called the local police.

The Barrie Police Department acknowledged to the Sun they "were later advised that the matter had resolved itself and we did not attend."

But parents said they were still left with questions about the incident.

"We have no idea why it's allowed," one parent said of Wiseheart competing against the girls.

"We know it's not fair to the girls who are training at their sport and some of whom are hoping for scholarships."

In statements, Swimming Canada and Swim Ontario — which sanctioned the competition — defended Wiseheart's participation.

"In partnership with Swimming Canada, Swim Ontario has a robust system of policies, procedures and rules that support our member clubs in providing a competitive experience that is safe, welcoming and inclusive for all participants," the organization said.

It noted that Swim Ontario "investigated concerns related to an adult competing against swimmers aged 12 – 14 during a recent competition hosted by the Richmond Hill Aquatic Club" and determined that "RHAC acted appropriately, in hosting the competition."

The organization explained that athletes are seeded by entry time, regardless of their age,

It also said that access to changing rooms "is determined by facility/municipality policies in accordance with applicable law."

"Swimming Canada and Swim Ontario believe swimming is for everyone … people of all shapes, sizes, genders, beliefs and background should have the opportunity to swim to the best of their ability … with the expectation that our registrants treat each other with respect and dignity, and keep our sport environment free from harassment and abuse."

"This is crazy," one parent said in response. "None of this adds up."
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At some point, fathers will have to step up and do the right thing. Take their daughters home and let the mentally ill man swim alone.

With the fishes.
 
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