ReeeFallin
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It doesn't seem to take a huge leap to imagine that people might exist on a scale of 'not gay at all' to 'the gayest motherfucker on this entire planet' with more than one stop in between.
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Bear Ribs
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I think this says more about you than anybody else.
I mean, the LGBTQIA Fandom says "He remains one of the most influential figures in American intellectual history."
Alfred Kinsey
We are the recorders and reporters of facts–not the judges of the behaviors we describe. Alfred Charles Kinsey (June 23, 1894 – August 25, 1956), was a bisexual American biologist who conducted landmark research into male and female sexual behavior. He remains one of the most influential figures...
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Again, I had never even seen that wiki before, or heard his name, in anything relating to non-hetero stuff, or heard the idea of a 'straight to gay' spectrum.I think this says more about you than anybody else.
I mean, the LGBTQIA Fandom says "He remains one of the most influential figures in American intellectual history."
Alfred Kinsey
We are the recorders and reporters of facts–not the judges of the behaviors we describe. Alfred Charles Kinsey (June 23, 1894 – August 25, 1956), was a bisexual American biologist who conducted landmark research into male and female sexual behavior. He remains one of the most influential figures...
You act like any non-hetero's are part of some huge organization, where we all trade notes and data on every 'thought leader' regularly and conspire to hide their dirty laundry.
Bear Ribs
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Okay, but again that's mostly on you, not everybody else. Kinsey's work has been discussed in these very forums multiple times before, this isn't anything obscure or hidden but people do miss stuff so it's no malus to you.
I'm not acting as you imply. If I say that MLK was a huge influencer on civil rights, that doesn't mean I presume all PoCs are part of some huge organization, it means Martin Luther King Jr. was a huge influence on civil rights. If a person says they've never heard of MLK, that doesn't mean his contributions didn't happen.
@Bacle Someone can be very influential to the general understanding of some topic, without most of the people involved having ever heard that someone's name or much about him.
Regarding the whole "spectrum" thing, what I think it boils down to is that Kinsey and his following thought that literally everyone was really bisexual. Just that most people were more towards hetero then homo.
It sounds crazy, and almost like the stereotype of the perverted man who refuses to understand that the rest of humanity does not share his perversion.
Regarding the whole "spectrum" thing, what I think it boils down to is that Kinsey and his following thought that literally everyone was really bisexual. Just that most people were more towards hetero then homo.
It sounds crazy, and almost like the stereotype of the perverted man who refuses to understand that the rest of humanity does not share his perversion.
King Arts
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Ok I have to jump in here, but no everyone being partly bi makes sense. And that was historically understood that’s how early Christians and even Muslims understood it. You might have Desires towards a man but you have to not accept them and go for a woman. It was idiot Protestants and their science fetish that created homosexuality as a mental illness, this allowed the LGBTs to bring up the born this way argument and use the pity to get what they want.
Does that mean that Haredi Jews cannot shake hands with trans men because they remain women for religious purposes but that Haredi Jews can also marry trans men (unlike their ability to marry trans women, which is rejected since it's considered a same-sex marriage since trans women are still men according to them)?
Only if you ignore all the examples seen throughout history in humans and all the examples seen in other animals in everything from insects on up to primates. There really are people who are born that way and never had a choice in who they were attracted to and it's mainly been religion demanding people at least pretend to be normal and going as far as killing anyone who didn't that cause it to be hidden for any length of time. Ironically religion helped some of them hide it right under the church's noses since they created an order in which people were expected to never marry and put them in single-sex environments.
King Arts
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I'd assume so. A mtf may be more attractive to a man, but if you fuck one you have commited sodomy sin by having sexual relations with a man. while ftm may be ugly to a normal man, but if you fuck one it technically isn't a sin.(Assuming you aren't having sex out of wedlock and all that.)
Explain why many people throughout history before the Abrahamic faiths came to power engaged in such actions, hell explain situational sexuality in prison?
I'm an atheist and hardly an expert on Jewish law. However, at a guess, orthodox Jews (it's probably not only the Haredim but also more moderate observant orthodox Jews, the kind that just wear a kippa/yarmulke, although they'll probably be less extreme and obnoxious about it) will not be allowed to shake hands with trans men, and they'll definitely won't be marrying trans anything based on the social stigma alone and it'll be nigh impossible to find a rabbi that will agree to marry them, although I have no idea if it's strictly speaking against Jewish law in the technical lawyering sense (it may or may not be).
Because they were gay. Remember, I'm the one arguing that gay people exist and have always existed here. A really stand-out example is Hadrian, who so loved his boyfriend that he insisted on commissioning a ridiculous amount of memorials in his memory after his accidental death.
Maybe, just maybe, there's actually something to the notion that we're all just a little bit gay?
King Arts
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Yes, but even in pagan societies like Japan where playing around with the same sex or even loving them is ok and is not a sin against God, there comes a time where you have to be responsible and marry the opposite sex to continue your bloodline.
Umm, I was the one who said that. That's why making the term straight and "gay" was wrong because then everyone can be just a little bit straight. By saying they are born this way, then you can't say well they can just become the opposite of prison gay, or just refrain from their urges like God wants them too.
Even if one believed in God, the argument would be that God made them that way. For everyone who doesn't, there is frankly no need to make any kind of argument. And to be frank, your argument makes no sense, since you are essentially using an example of very bad people who are horny basically settling for the kind of victims they have on hand to say that gay people should take whatever small bit of attraction they have for opposite sex and force themselves to be straight for no real reason.
King Arts
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Not all prison sex is rape.
But no God did not make them that way any more than he made serial killers that way in wanting to kill. God's laws are clear and everyone should follow them or else.
Well, I was just wondering because marrying trans men could be a good loophole for gay cisgender male Ultra-Orthodox Jews and marrying trans women could be a good loophole for gay cisgender female Ultra-Orthodox Jews.
It's, as you said, situational. They would much rather be with a woman, but since there are none around, they settle for something they can sort of pretend is a woman.
Or something like that.
Would gays be receptive to the notion that they're a little bit straight?
lol maybe? This specific gay guy was:
If God exists, he most certainly did make homosexuals the way they are. If you believe he directly creates each and every person. In any case, you are not going to get anywhere with a religious argument as this is a question of biology, and frankly, I class the kind of people who deny homosexuality is a natural part of that in the same category as those who think gender is the same as sex and is a social construct.
I know some who can appreciate a woman's good looks but still have no sexual desire there.
bintananth
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Heck, it's sorta like that for everyone. I have no sexual interest in someone like Bruno Mars but do understand why my eldest daugter would say "yes" if he asked.