Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
They want to still maintain their career as politicians.
Breaking News Trump Impeachment 2: Electric Boogaloo
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It played out entirely how I predicted. Solid D vote to convict and a few republicans joining in, but not enough.
This doesn't even mean your controlled opposition theory was wrong though. Not that I totally agree with it, but they need to play it smart and Biden's already won. If they were controlled opposition, all this means is that this was t important enough to blow their cover over. They still want to get voted for in the future and those GOPers who voted to convict are probably done for.
Terthna
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True; but if that's the case, at least it means they're afraid of what we might do. Otherwise, they wouldn't feel the need to maintain the charade anymore.
The Republicans are NOT controlled opposition.
Trump alienated the Business and National Security voters throughout his term. And he started off on good terms with both of them. Not the best of terms, but they at least thought they were all on the same page. Or book. The attempt to break the Orange Republican voting blocks (populists, unions) is coming directly from those blocks AND the Democrats, who view them as a threat.
And of course, the Civil Service, of whom Trump had butted heads with on day one.
Trump got unlucky. His number one selling point was the economy and he had an epidemic that he was neither effective at containing or talking on, while the Democrats happily let the nation burn so as to make him look worse than he'd acted.
That doesn't change the fact that Biden and the Democrats are NOT in an enviable position. Their position is weaker than Trump's was in 2016 and while Biden avoids the negative aspect of Trump, they've kicked out the socialist, which was a very vocal and very driven bloc of the party and that ISN'T going to be forgotten or forgiven.
One positive aspect of Trump's time as President, is that he's proven to the Democrats that they cannot win with the socialists. Biden has boxed them out of his administration and they're being pressed out of the party as best can be managed. The Democrats still embrace globalism and that may be the situation long-term, but Biden's own team suggests that he's not going to be moving the country back to globalism. Rather, it instead looks as though he's going to continue much of Trump's foreign policy. Part of that is due to the changing winds of politics since 2016 and part of that is due to the pandemic.
Regardless of whether or not Trump makes it back into the White House, the Bretton Woods system is very much broken and beyond mending.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Neocons and Neolibs aren't quite the same thing, as I understand it. Indeed, when populists aren't threatening them, they hate each other. The reason they are mistaken for a uni-party is because they represent the middle ground of the previous paradigm. Back in their day they'd have been quite different from one another, but they seem very similar to a 21st century eye.
It's like how, as retarded as they are, Tories and Labour just aren't the same thing.
It's like how, as retarded as they are, Tories and Labour just aren't the same thing.
Terthna
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McConnell: 'Trump is still liable for everything he did' --- read full speech
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican, delivered the following statement Saturday from the chamber floor after senators acquitted...
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Mitch McConnell, even though he voted to acquit the former president, is apparently calling for Trump to be prosecuted as a private citizen; so perhaps I spoke too soon about the Republican establishment backing down.McConnell: 'Trump is still liable for everything he did' --- read full speech
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, the Kentucky Republican, delivered the following statement Saturday from the chamber floor after senators acquitted...
He refused to impeach because the House was too late in doing so, according to him.
That said, Trump will probably NOT be allowed to take the White House again, although in 4 years, a lot can change. The amount of irresponsibility he's shown in the days leading up to the riot have precluded him from taking it again. I don't think he is directly responsible, in that he probably did not control QAnon, which drove most of those conspiracies and he did not directly tell them to go attack the capital.
But he did ignore everyone who begged him to stop the riot before it began and as it was happening. And rumor is that the National Guard only deployed on Pence's order. Trump made the predictable cult leader mistake of believing that his followers would follow his instructions as he intended them, not as they would interpret them.
The best that Trump can hope for is to hold a strong political hand within the Republican party.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
If that's how you see things, I question your hold on reality.
Edit: Let me clarify; I don't believe what Trump did was irresponsible, and I also don't believe the Republican establishment will allow him to exert any influence over the party going forward.
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strunkenwhite
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Honestly, the thing that baffles me most about the last four years is how some people still manage to believe the uniparty myth.
Even if they are both establishment, that doesn't mean they are on the same side. Or if they are on the same side in some fights it's a very situational thing, like the gangsters and G-men in The Rocketeer.
Even if they are both establishment, that doesn't mean they are on the same side. Or if they are on the same side in some fights it's a very situational thing, like the gangsters and G-men in The Rocketeer.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Alliances of convenience essentially. National Security mad Neocons don't have as much in common with bloated welfare state Neolibs as some think.
Yes, because letting Powell go around shitting on the Georgia run-off's was nothing but a master stroke. Trump allowed QAnon and people like Powell to spread conspiracy theories by not stamping down on them. That was a terrible idea in retrospect, because it meant that instead of going to protest the integrity of the election, they thought they were fighting a vast conspiracy with no basis in reality.
And so when all those protestors gathered, they were so detached from reality that they weren't even following his orders anymore. They were following QAnon. And that has broken the Republican party as badly as the Democrats.
Trump HAS influence, like it or not. He brought in 10-20 million voters. A good chunk are still loyal to him. The Republicans will have to bargain with him at some point.
Most of them are beyond the reach of primarying. Most of them are I believe, slated to retire or not run for re-election. Those that aren't are somewhat insulated because they come from swing states, where the very concept of Republican is a different flavor to that of other Republicans.
I think the one from Ohio may e voted out, as they were very Trump this eleciton
Depends.
There really are so many things in flux right now that it's hard to tell. This may all blow over once we all get out of quarantine. With the way vaccines are going right now, we could be out of this by June.
Yeah, I doubt that soon. Maybe Sept
Actually, the US is quickly producing several vaccines in high volumes. The US had several vaccines produced, expecting that most would fail. But right now, I think we're looking at 2-3 successful vaccines, with each new one being more easily distributed than the last. On that front, the news has been nothing but good. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is our trump card though. Once it gets into circulation, it only requires one shot, rather than the standard two.
The first two are, if I recall, already being distributed across the entire country. It's estimated we need only 50% of the population to get the vaccine. Between that 50% and the 25% of people who already had it, we've got herd immunity. The only way this falls flat on its face is if people refuse to get the vaccine. But at this point, employers are already looking at FORCING their employees to get it. Not that it should be too hard, given that your transmission rate drops by 75% if you have it.
COVID-19 already has trouble spreading. It actually spreads quickly through rare jackpots that have huge payoffs. We managed to limit that with masks, social distancing (sort of), and cutting down on immigration. If you throw these vaccines into the mix, things should get better. The companies are even looking to get ahead of the new variants that COVID-19 has produced.
The US will actually be able to regenerate its damaged economy over the summer.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Sorry, Ohio? You're talking about senators who voted to convict, right? The senator from Ohio up for re-election in '22 is retiring, and voted to acquit anyway. Or did you mean the Democratic senator from Ohio, who's up for re-election in '24, who obviously voted to convict?
As a side note, don't harass these people.
Seriously, you will get on a list. The FBI are taking what happened on Jan 6th very, very seriously. Do NOT give them a reason or the courts a reason to have you arrested or otherwise make your life difficult. The impeachment didn't go through. If you don't like what they did, you can campaign against them or vote against them.
gonna second that.
We had a victory, and a win, work to primary or remove them but the main focus needs to be on securing elections, and getting more power in insitutions and punishing big tech when ever possible and making sure that legacy media dies out from a lack of funds and is replaced by actual journalism.
Bunch of things on our plates lets focus on that.
I heard Phyzer is not going so good with the studies.
I did not know that
I think they were just saying to contact them if they are in your state