The Name of Love
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Here’s Nick Fuentes on this. Warning: Italian accent incoming.
United States Turning Point Fires Ashley St. Claire for Talking to Nick Fuentes
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ShieldWife
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It’s silly to worry about optics when a group who already calls you Nazis is accusing you of associating with Nazis. I don’t really trust TPUSA myself.
The Name of Love
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Well, before, they were pure cringe and run by a grifter (an actual one, not a successful right-winger). Now? They are dead to me. I regret ever having been a part of that movement.
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@The Name of Love Steve is correct, I was speaking in generalities. Of course, in the end I didn’t give in to them, but the temptation is powerful, especially when your instinct in life in general is compromise and consensus. But in the end compromise with Bongos is death. So I didn’t do it.
The Name of Love
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The Bongos are terrifying because their irrationality means there are no limits to how far they will go.
I only remember Nick Fuentes from that debate he had with that leftist Steve Bonnell (Destiny), Cenk's even dumber nephew Hasan Piker, and Carl Benjamin. It was moderated by Asmongold, the WoW streamer, of all people. He seemed pretty smart (and disagreeable to me generally speaking) for being only like twenty years old or whatever. He might be a White Nationalist or whatever but the debate they all had seemed civil enough. There was certainly no need for it to be censored.
The fact people have conversations with him are being fired from genuinely Conservative organizations is pretty pathetic, especially when being done at the behest of pro-censorship Leftist organizations and individuals.
It'd be different if he was spouting bigotry and going unchallenged... but it seems like it was just a conversation.
The fact people have conversations with him are being fired from genuinely Conservative organizations is pretty pathetic, especially when being done at the behest of pro-censorship Leftist organizations and individuals.
It'd be different if he was spouting bigotry and going unchallenged... but it seems like it was just a conversation.
The Name of Love
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Nick doesn't self-identify as a white nationalist, but he is a very strong American nationalist that is concerned about the demographic replacement of whites and Jewish influence, so it's understandable that one could confuse him with a white nationalist. The way he differentiates himself is by saying that he doesn't want to deport anybody who is here legally or create a white ethnostate. He's prone to self-aggrandizement (as most YouTubers) and nasty insults, but, yes, he is civil in a conversation.
As Nick Fuentes would say: "they are a bunch of atheists! Or Jews! Or homosexuals! No wonder we keep losing."
What sort of right-wing? The Business/Fiscal conservatives are being pushed out of the party. Trump's policies are generally moderate left. Having a right-wing whose economically left and socially right is not exactly something they care for.
The Name of Love
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It really depends on what you mean by "business/fiscal conservatism." Certainly, Trump is no budget hawk, and he's not in favor of free trade. But he is very concerned with businesses, even if you think his policies harm them. My father, who works with small businesses as part of his job, tells me that the Trump presidency has restored business confidence in the government. People are more willing to take risks (and therefore, more willing to hire and fire) in our current economic regime than Obama's. Honestly, the Trump phenomenon deserves its own thread because it's very, very complicated.
TPUSA, I would argue, is not a conservative organization. They are a moderate libertarian movement, akin to something like the Cato Institute or the American Enterprise Institute. At the same time, it does represent the modern conservative movement as a whole. Nick Fuentes is a weird sort of right-winger; he is what you get when you take European-style ultranationalism, give it an "American-First, MAGA-mindset" twist, and then combine it with a sort of reactionary Catholicism. This leads to him having some bizarre takes.
It's an odd reason but IMO the right move.
Ashley St. Claire is a grifter almost as much as Baked Alaska is.
Ashley St. Claire is a grifter almost as much as Baked Alaska is.
The Name of Love
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TPUSA is an organization made up entirely of grifters. Ashley fit right in.
So I have only limited exposure to all parties in this, but I think TPUSA made the right move.
Fuentes seems very much like an erudite anti-semite and white nationalist. What seperates the GOP from the Dems is that they are willing to excise these fringes, not cater to them, and that is not a bad thing.
I know many here will disagree, but that's just how I see it.
Edit: Accidentally typed 'excuse' instead of 'excise'.
Fuentes seems very much like an erudite anti-semite and white nationalist. What seperates the GOP from the Dems is that they are willing to excise these fringes, not cater to them, and that is not a bad thing.
I know many here will disagree, but that's just how I see it.
Edit: Accidentally typed 'excuse' instead of 'excise'.
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Talking to someone who holds racialist views is a critical part of keeping those views from spreading. They will spread them in secret and resentment otherwise.
She wasn’t fired for being a grifter.
She wasn’t fired for being a grifter.
Interesting video, especially the first half but I'm not convinced of her being a fraudster. As I understand it grifters are basically con artists and most of this guys fraud evidence came from one podcast.
Ashley could just be a young woman with "conservative/right wing" beliefs whose using her attractiveness to increase her visibility. Lots of people do that in the media. Looking good is kind of an important aspect of media. It disproportionately affects women because there's a larger emphasis on their physical attractiveness then with men shockingly enough.
The "thot" stuff doesn't really bother me since it happened five years ago and as he said she wasn't even 18 at the time so yeah... Don't really care.
Of the podcast bits the only thing that stood out to me was that she was acting obviously populist on Twitter while being 'real' in the podcast. Her criticisms of Trump in the podcast are very real. 1791L actually did a video on it which also criticized Trump for many of the same issues Ashley brought up in regards to Trump at the time barely concerning himself with free speech online or on campuses and censorship and leftist and Big Tech censorship.
The immigration thing is another common critique. There are a fair number of Conservatives who aren't as worried about illegal immigration as Trump is and her 12 illegals in Colorado comment can either be taken as her being wrong or just off handed hyperbole like the earlier flippant comment on fake polling. She might be ignorant but that doesn't make her a fraud.
She might be a populist on Twitter and doing her best to look good on Instagram but that doesn't make her a fraud or con artist either.
The only thing I found really irksome was her comments about Turning Point USA before she joined it. But again I think it's just her babbling/shooting from the hip, not substantial proof of being an intentional faker.
At worst she just seems kinda shallow? Which is fine... I never really heard of her in any depth until now... Though I apparently follow her Instagram.
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The Name of Love
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Nick’s racial views actually aren’t as extreme as people make them out to be. In terms of actual policy, he wants to stop mass migration and have a more non-interventionist foreign policy. That’s what the establishment doesn’t like about him. He does have a habit of stepping on people’s toes and using filthy language, which is why I don’t like watching him.
If she was fired for being a grifter, then the organization would be merely hypocritical. She was fired because they kowtowed Jared Holt.
Nick Fuentes pretty much had the same opinions of her as you, though he’d probably argue that her shallowness is proof that she is a grifter because she has no depth of ideas.
Fuentes’ entire point is that, because the GOP excises people like him, they always lose the culture war even when they win elections. Have conservatives in America conserved anything besides their own power and careers?
Also, why should we assume the Left’s moral standards?
The same reason Steve King no longer is on any committees, because white nationalism is not a joking matter and Reps cannot afford to be seen with known white nationalists or their sympathizers.
I know it feels like this is bowing to the Left, but the fact is sometimes the Left is right to call this stuff out and Reps are right to excise the fringe.
The Name of Love
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I don’t believe white nationalism is “a joking matter” nor do I agree with it. But I don’t think it’s the worse thing you can be, and I definitely don’t think you should have your career ruined because you fail to kowtow to Leftist moral standards.
And it doesn’t feel like bowing to the Left, it is bowing to the Left.
You're both right and wrong. Yes, it's considered a toxic term to have pinned on oneself, and it's exactly because leftist activism is so aggressive about inflicting "consequences" for such associations that everyone is now trying to dodge it. The right should be doing everything possible to disarm the left of such attack terms it's wielding, rather than try to dodge the constant swings with such increasingly heavy and long reached club, everyone is going to get hit eventually, it's just a matter of time and chance.
At this point being against "demographic change by mass immigration, legal or not" is considered "white nationalist sympathy" among many on the left, that's the endgame of such leftist enforcement standard.
It's that 'being against demographic change' part that is why the Left is correct to call this guy out, and why Reps should not accociate with him.
In my experience people who are against 'demographic change' tend to be those with white nationalist sympathies. Like, I very much dislike illegal immigration and mass legal immigration, but not because I care about preserving the 'white' demographic.