US Military Needs Political Re-Education to Remain Apolitical

[BlackDragon98]

SOCOM has been full of dumb woke shit for some time.
Their handling of Eddie Gallagher is clear proof.
Thankfully, the Donald bailed out the poor man and cleared his name, along with other wrongfully convicted soldiers.

 

[Zachowon]

Basically SOCOM doesn't even go through thier higher ups
They do what ever they want to a degree.

 

[ShieldWife]

Conservatives need to disabuse themselves of the misguided notion that the military are their friends or that the military will help them, or indeed the country, in any way if the need ever arises. For the time being, the US armed forces will be used to make plutocrats and profiteers even richer by blowing up countries that have never attacked or threatened us while the upper echelons of the government and Pentagon continue to purge the ranks of actual conservatives and patriots.

Not now, but in the future when they are called on to do so, the armed forces will obey any order given them including those to disarm law abiding citizens, terrorize dissidents, arrest political opponents of the elites and leftists, or otherwise bring their full force of arms against US citizens.

The police are in the same category. There may be a few who refuse orders to take people’s guns or arrest them for “hate speech” but they will be too few and ineffective to matter.

 

[Spartan303]

Conservatives need to disabuse themselves of the misguided notion that the military are their friends or that the military will help them, or indeed the country, in any way if the need ever arises. For the time being, the US armed forces will be used to make plutocrats and profiteers even richer by blowing up countries that have never attacked or threatened us while the upper echelons of the government and Pentagon continue to purge the ranks of actual conservatives and patriots.

Not now, but in the future when they are called on to do so, the armed forces will obey any order given them including those to disarm law abiding citizens, terrorize dissidents, arrest political opponents of the elites and leftists, or otherwise bring their full force of arms against US citizens.

The police are in the same category. There may be a few who refuse orders to take people’s guns or arrest them for “hate speech” but they will be too few and ineffective to matter.

Why do you say this?

 

[Zachowon]

Conservatives need to disabuse themselves of the misguided notion that the military are their friends or that the military will help them, or indeed the country, in any way if the need ever arises. For the time being, the US armed forces will be used to make plutocrats and profiteers even richer by blowing up countries that have never attacked or threatened us while the upper echelons of the government and Pentagon continue to purge the ranks of actual conservatives and patriots.

Not now, but in the future when they are called on to do so, the armed forces will obey any order given them including those to disarm law abiding citizens, terrorize dissidents, arrest political opponents of the elites and leftists, or otherwise bring their full force of arms against US citizens.

The police are in the same category. There may be a few who refuse orders to take people’s guns or arrest them for “hate speech” but they will be too few and ineffective to matter.

You do know that there are less people willing to shoot an American citizen or be deployed on US soil then there are that would gladly go WW2 on Conservatives.

When the people int he US military that are not high level (the highest levels have always been in it for thier own needs) are noticing the government are going further away from the constitution...which we swore to uphold.
We choose our lines then.
Until then, the mikitary and police are the two groups that we have to rely on...

 

[Terthna]

You do know that there are less people willing to shoot an American citizen or be deployed on US soil then there are that would gladly go WW2 on Conservatives.

When the people int he US military that are not high level (the highest levels have always been in it for thier own needs) are noticing the government are going further away from the constitution...which we swore to uphold.
We choose our lines then.
Until then, the mikitary and police are the two groups that we have to rely on...

All I'm seeing is a lot of empty promises from you; nothing that makes me believe either group (particular not the police) are ever going to side against the establishment at any point.

 

[Zachowon]

All I'm seeing is a lot of empty promises from you; nothing that makes me believe either group (particular not the police) are ever going to side against the establishment at any point.

Okay. I mainly know of the mikitary, and I have personal experience

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Mercenaries stay loyal to the paychest. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Zachowon]

Mercenaries stay loyal to the paychest. Always has been and always will be.

We arnt mercs. They don't pay enough. I can go do other stuff and make more

 

[Aldarion]

We arnt mercs. They don't pay enough. I can go do other stuff and make more

National Guard maybe. But full-time professionals are, by definition, mercenaries. EDIT: Of course, as you point out, you do have an option to leave... but I think main problem here isn't even just military, or who pays the military, but rather general human tendency to obey authorities. There were some studies done after World War II, and people can justify crazy shit so long as somebody in a position of authority is supporting it. And Left is utilizing this to its full effect - that is why they took over the academia and are trying to take over politics.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Soldiers are trained to obey their chain of command and to carry out commands, even if they don't like them. The rule about ''not obeying the unlawful order'' is but a window dressing, the ruling regime can always come up with any kind of legal bullshittery to make any kind of order legal. Small percentage of soldiers might baulk or even resist, but the vast majority will carry out the orders. And the aim of the current indoctrination campaign and those that will follow, is to identify that small percentage of malcontents and force them out.

 

[Zachowon]

National Guard maybe. But full-time professionals are, by definition, mercenaries. EDIT: Of course, as you point out, you do have an option to leave... but I think main problem here isn't even just military, or who pays the military, but rather general human tendency to obey authorities. There were some studies done after World War II, and people can justify crazy shit so long as somebody in a position of authority is supporting it. And Left is utilizing this to its full effect - that is why they took over the academia and are trying to take over politics.

Soldiers are trained to obey their chain of command and to carry out commands, even if they don't like them. The rule about ''not obeying the unlawful order'' is but a window dressing, the ruling regime can always come up with any kind of legal bullshittery to make any kind of order legal. Small percentage of soldiers might baulk or even resist, but the vast majority will carry out the orders. And the aim of the current indoctrination campaign and those that will follow, is to identify that small percentage of malcontents and force them out.

Except there is already a large amount that are questioning what they are being told. They have leaders who will tell them not to obey orders etc etc.

The way our military is, woth it being voluntary, you generally have certain people in certain aspects.

Those that we worry about being indoctrinated are usually the ones who don't stay in long enough to get any meaningful rank. Where the vast majority are the ones who have been calling this bullshit out, and are willing to take a stand for thier juniors.

But not like I have been ralkijg to multiple NCOs or Officers in my new office. Nope.

Totally baseless claims

 

[AnimalNoodles]

The powers that be want an american military that will have zero qualms about filling mass graves with deplorables if they have to.

Expect anyone to the right of kamala harris to be purged or strongly pressured.

 

[Zachowon]

The powers that be want an american military that will have zero qualms about filling mass graves with deplorables if they have to.

Expect anyone to the right of kamala harris to be purged or strongly pressured.

So...
90% of the military majority of the combat arms?
And then replacing then how? A draft?
Not how it works.

 

[DarthOne]

Except there is already a large amount that are questioning what they are being told. They have leaders who will tell them not to obey orders etc etc.

The way our military is, woth it being voluntary, you generally have certain people in certain aspects.

Those that we worry about being indoctrinated are usually the ones who don't stay in long enough to get any meaningful rank. Where the vast majority are the ones who have been calling this bullshit out, and are willing to take a stand for thier juniors.

But not like I have been ralkijg to multiple NCOs or Officers in my new office. Nope.

Totally baseless claims

According to you and some others. Still, I'd rather say we should be over-prepared than under-prepared.

 

[Zachowon]

According to you and some others. Still, I'd rather say we should be over-prepared than under-prepared.

I guess someone currently in the mikitary isn't enough of a source I see.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

So...
90% of the military majority of the combat arms?
And then replacing then how? A draft?
Not how it works.

No, they will do it graduallly, using political education, political officers, indoctrination of the officer corps, gradual weakening of the NCOs and subtly discouraging conservatives and whites from joining the military.

 

[DarthOne]

I guess someone currently in the mikitary isn't enough of a source I see.

Of which we have only your word. And even if it is true, that doesn't mean your perception isn't flawed or that you might be seeing what you want to see.

 

[Zachowon]

No, they will do it graduallly, using political education, political officers, indoctrination of the officer corps, gradual weakening of the NCOs and subtly discouraging conservatives and whites from joining the military.

So...
You are saying they are going tk limit the miktary so badly that they will have to use a draft to get the numbers needed should we have to fight a major war? Something we wouldn't need to do with current numbers? You think the dems are willing to kill off thier voter base when they can kill the conservatives by letting them join?

One can not weaken the NCOs. They are one if the most important part of our militaryand are willing to push back against officers.

again, NCOs and Junior enlisted break rules told by the higher ups all the time

Of which we have only your word. And even if it is true, that doesn't mean your perception isn't flawed or that you might be seeing what you want to see.

I am not seeing what I want.
I literally first time meeting my new NCOs had them talking about how the government was growing further away from the constitution...and how we are to uphold that over the government..

 

[PsihoKekec]

You are saying they are going tk limit the miktary so badly that they will have to use a draft to get the numbers needed should we have to fight a major war? Something we wouldn't need to do with current numbers? You think the dems are willing to kill off thier voter base when they can kill the conservatives by letting them join?

It's the doublethink, they hate the military and want to destroy everything it stands for, yet they want military to be strong enough to export their agenda all over the world. They want conservatives out of the army, while expecting them to join and die in droves if big war happens. Part of this is the misconception of the zero casualties war, as they expect any war can be won with drones and ground proxies, originating in their willful ignorance of military matters, the fact that military brass is highly adept at political whoring plays a big part in this.
Sure, many enlisted personnel and junior officers, especially in combat arms are pissed off, but being shat upon by the higher ups is part of their every day life, they are expected to grit their teeth and carry on as they always have. The only alternative to Democrats are Republicunts, who are dedicated to losing gracefully and are unwilling to challenge culture war politics.