United States US presidential election 2024

[Free-Stater 101]

Why not Trump?

Within one week Trump both invited Kanye to the Mar-A-Lago with Nick Fuentes and spoke.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,"

That was enough for me to call it quits, this was after me spending a year and defending him to others and requesting people to give him a benefit of a doubt as to him being an autocratic strong man.

In short, he made an ass of me and regardless of circumstances said he had the authority to ignore the supreme governing authority of the land and be rid of it as he pleases, something I believe under no circumstances is forgivable or under any circumstances allowable, I am not required to vote for him anymore then I am required to vote for Biden if I don't, it's that simple.

If Trump has a problem with that, he need only look into a mirror to see who is responsible, had that especially not happened and some of the other scandals that wracked the closing days of his last administration he may yet have had a chance to sway me back, but as of now that is unlikely to happen.

If not Trump, why not Libertarian?

Because Libertarians are doomed to lose, making any vote to them in a presidential election useless for anything other than symbolism as opposed to a local one where they have a chance, to vote for them in that state would imply I think that their party is the best choice for the nation, the problem is though while I agree heavily with them on some issues, I heavily disagree with them on other such as concepts of immigration, free trade and abortion to varying degrees.

I think you should wait till we see who Trump's VP is before giving up on Trump.

My issue with Trump is just that, regardless of who he picks to be VP, you won't hear me nitpicking over every little think he says or cheering his prosecution in Georgia like the liberals, but you won't catch me defending him anymore either.

I just can't bring myself to care anymore for him.

 

[Bacle]

My issue with Trump is just that, regardless of who he picks to be VP, you won't hear me nitpicking over every little think he says or cheering his prosecution in Georgia like the liberals, but you won't catch me defending him anymore either.

I just can't bring myself to care anymore for him.

I wish I didn't have to care about Trump either, but that is not a luxury anyone has anymore.

Biden is by far the worse of the two, and to be very fair to Trump, what the Dems have done to him has effectively rendered the Constitution moot anyway.

So what Trump said doesn't bother me nearly as much as it does you, though the fact Trump got played by Milo like that was just proof of how many people are out to sabotage Trump because people won't inform him of context he should know, so he looks bad when something happens he didn't get warning of from people who should have warned him.

Having Fuentes there was more of problem for me than Trump being real that the Constitution is already effectively dead, due to what the Dems have done to him/because of him.

It's not Trump who put our republic into a likely terminal fever dream, it's the Dems response to Trump that did, and I cannot fault Trump for being willing to admit as much, or being willing to admit a new rule set/context exists that has rendered much of the Constitution moot in all but theory.

If not for Justice's Thomas and Alito, I'd say the entire apparatus in that the Constitution enshrines no longer exists in a meaningful fashion. The Federal bureaucracy remaining functional is more about inertia than actually following the Constitution.

Fuck, at this point USS Constitution is more respected than the actual sheet of paper it's named after, and probably better cared for.

 

[Terthna]

That was me from April. I think that I was right. It turns out that his charisma was a little lower than I expected. This run certainly hurt his political career.

On the plus side for him, the narrative about DeSantis being the establishment candidate seems to have fallen to the wayside, thanks to Nikki Haley.

Within one week Trump both invited Kanye to the Mar-A-Lago with Nick Fuentes and spoke.

That was enough for me to call it quits, this was after me spending a year and defending him to others and requesting people to give him a benefit of a doubt as to him being an autocratic strong man.

In short, he made an ass of me and regardless of circumstances said he had the authority to ignore the supreme governing authority of the land and be rid of it as he pleases, something I believe under no circumstances is forgivable or under any circumstances allowable, I am not required to vote for him anymore then I am required to vote for Biden if I don't, it's that simple.

If Trump has a problem with that, he need only look into a mirror to see who is responsible, had that especially not happened and some of the other scandals that wracked the closing days of his last administration he may yet have had a chance to sway me back, but as of now that is unlikely to happen.

Because Libertarians are doomed to lose, making any vote to them in a presidential election useless for anything other than symbolism as opposed to a local one where they have a chance, to vote for them in that state would imply I think that their party is the best choice for the nation, the problem is though while I agree heavily with them on some issues, I heavily disagree with them on other such as concepts of immigration, free trade and abortion to varying degrees.

My issue with Trump is just that, regardless of who he picks to be VP, you won't hear me nitpicking over every little think he says or cheering his prosecution in Georgia like the liberals, but you won't catch me defending him anymore either.

I just can't bring myself to care anymore for him.

Understandable. But personally, I'm not going to be voting for Trump because of Trump; I'm going to vote for him because the establishment doesn't want me to.

 

[Rocinante]

On the plus side for him, the narrative about DeSantis being the establishment candidate seems to have fallen to the wayside, thanks to Nikki Haley.




Understandable. But personally, I'm not going to be voting for Trump because of Trump; I'm going to vote for him because the establishment doesn't want me to.

Yup.

Trump gets my vote, even before the others dropped out of primaries. I liked both Vivek and DeSantis more. However, the witch hunt against Trump, and their endless attempts to take him down, have made me decide I am voting Trump as a middle finger to those people.

Every time they try something, I am more solidified in my plan to vote Trump

 

[49ersfootball]

I think there's a reasonable argument that this was really his only chance, and he won't be in the running next time. He'd have 2 years where he wasn't governor anymore, which would take him out of the national conversation for too long.

I think he basically had a hail mary shot at best, and it was a use it or lose it situation. Right now, he's stuck with nowhere to go. 2 decently well liked senators are in his way to swapping out for another job, and a representative is a step down.

DeSantis officially a lame-duck as his Governorship will end on January 5th, 2027.

Unless his wife, FL First Lady Casey DeSantis runs for the Governorship in 2026, it's possible that DeSantis' political career is over.

 

[49ersfootball]

I think there's a reasonable argument that this was really his only chance, and he won't be in the running next time. He'd have 2 years where he wasn't governor anymore, which would take him out of the national conversation for too long.

I think he basically had a hail mary shot at best, and it was a use it or lose it situation. Right now, he's stuck with nowhere to go. 2 decently well liked senators are in his way to swapping out for another job, and a representative is a step down.

Basically DeSantis is in a huge political pickle correct ?

 

[Rocinante]

DeSantis officially a lame-duck as his Governorship will end on January 5th, 2027.

Unless his wife, FL First Lady Casey DeSantis runs for the Governorship in 2026, it's possible that DeSantis' political career is over.

DeSantis still has 3 years to do great things in Florida, and already has done a lot of great things. 3 years is a lot of time. Idk why this opinion is becoming popular.

 

[49ersfootball]

DeSantis still has 3 years to do great things in Florida, and already has done a lot of great things. 3 years is a lot of time. Idk why this opinion is becoming popular.

Let's not forget about the jockeying for position in the Sunshine State in 2026:
1.) FL Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nunez (R): she might run for the Governorship.

2.) FL State Attorney General Ashley Moody (D).


Plus many many more.

 

[Poe]

DeSantis still has 3 years to do great things in Florida, and already has done a lot of great things. 3 years is a lot of time. Idk why this opinion is becoming popular.

They are just spewing Trumps propaganda from last week. The people saying this won't even remember not liking DeSantis a year from now once Trumps PR department stops attacking him and starts to heal that divide. Four years from now they'll probably claim they always supported him and it just wasn't his time (that part is true.)

 

[Bigking321]

Nah. This definitely did some damage.

How much in 2028 remains to be seen but definitely more than if he had waited.

 

[bullethead]

DeSantis' campaign basically did the equivalent of the media going "you're a bigot/bad" whenever anyone criticized them, no matter how mild the criticism. They basically poisoned the well for DeSantis in this campaign, on top of generally doing a shit job of making DeSantis look like an effective leader/problem solver.

 

[49ersfootball]

DeSantis' campaign basically did the equivalent of the media going "you're a bigot/bad" whenever anyone criticized them, no matter how mild the criticism. They basically poisoned the well for DeSantis in this campaign, on top of generally doing a shit job of making DeSantis look like an effective leader/problem solver.

Translation: DeSantis might NOT hold political office ever again.

 

[Buba]

So, the Republican candidate is a foregone conclusion and Donald can as good as start the presidential campaign here and now?

 

[LordsFire]

So, the Republican candidate is a foregone conclusion and Donald can as good as start the presidential campaign here and now?

99% odds or so.

 

[Bacle]

The debate now is about the VP slot, not whether Trump will be at the top of the ticket.

 

[Rocinante]

So, the Republican candidate is a foregone conclusion and Donald can as good as start the presidential campaign here and now?

Assuming a good chunk of DeSantis voters go to Trump instead of Haley, this is in the bag.

Seeing as he endorsed Trump and most people who liked him didn't like Haley, this will probably go in Trump's favor

Also considering in Iowa, Trump had more than everyone else combined?

Yeah Trump's probably got this

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I remember reading an article a while back about the Don/Orange Man/Oompa Loompa King, spelling out how the establishment simply hasn’t learned a damn thing from the whole ordeal. They can’t understand why Trump is so popular, or why so many vote for him, and it’s not to do with policy.

The simple truth is that the current paradigm has screwed up so badly that the electorate wants to flip the middle finger at them in whatever way they can, and Trump is their instrument.

He’s not the rise of fascism or tyranny.

He’s a protest vote.

And the fact that they can’t grasp this is yet another nail in the coffin of the current, dying paradigm.

 

[IndyFront]

I remember reading an article a while back about the Don/Orange Man/Oompa Loompa King, spelling out how the establishment simply hasn’t learned a damn thing from the whole ordeal. They can’t understand why Trump is so popular, or why so many vote for him, and it’s not to do with policy.

The simple truth is that the current paradigm has screwed up so badly that the electorate wants to flip the middle finger at them in whatever way they can, and Trump is their instrument.

He’s not the rise of fascism or tyranny.

He’s a protest vote.

And the fact that they can’t grasp this is yet another nail in the coffin of the current, dying paradigm.

And whoever Trump chooses as his successor will continue being that protest vote, since the Democrats are only offering stale faux-progressive corporate candidates like Buttigieg, Kamala and AOC down the pipe. Basically I see the Democrats coming to represent coastal liberal elitist interventionism and the Republicans more and more becoming populist isolationist libertarians out of opposition to the Democrats' coastal elitism.

 

[DarthOne]

And whoever Trump chooses as his successor will continue being that protest vote, since the Democrats are only offering stale faux-progressive corporate candidates like Buttigieg, Kamala and AOC down the pipe. Basically I see the Democrats coming to represent coastal liberal elitist interventionism and the Republicans more and more becoming populist isolationist libertarians out of opposition to the Democrats' coastal elitism.

You assume that the Republicans are any different then the Democrats in this. They want to go back the the Bush era.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

You assume that the Republicans are any different then the Democrats in this. They want to go back the the Bush era.

Some do.

But after Iraq, Afghanistan and 2008, their credibility is down the toilet. Even the progressives hate Neocons and wouldn’t be unhappy to see the back of them.