Warhammer 40 000 about to be ruined?
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KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I warned you. First they came for video games....then they came for star wars....then they came....
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
They will shit on fans in order to make more palatable to general population, which is unlikely to bite. They had a profitable model which they will scuttle for the pie in the sky.
What's the sitch?
Well-known member
Never really got into Warhammer because it was a bit too dark and hopeless of a setting for me, but I feel for you guys.(the original fans that like it for what it is)
Unironically I think this one might attract people if they make it less grim dark without sjw/woke ism, but I wouldn't count on it.
Unironically I think this one might attract people if they make it less grim dark without sjw/woke ism, but I wouldn't count on it.
Val the Moofia Boss
Well-known member
You can't ruin the old books, the actual good stuff. They still exist and will still be there. Just means that the new stuff might not be worth the bother of collecting anymore.
Too early to tell if the 40k franchise is going to be totally trashed yet. Will have to wait until they start showing off some new stuff. But given how GW cared so little about WHF that they trashed the entire setting and remade it into 40k lite, it wouldn't surprise me if GW has so little care about 40k that they will just remake it into whatever they want to, especially if they think that they can make more money trying to appeal to the masses of normies over their dedicated, loyal fanbase that has put up with their crap for decades.
Too early to tell if the 40k franchise is going to be totally trashed yet. Will have to wait until they start showing off some new stuff. But given how GW cared so little about WHF that they trashed the entire setting and remade it into 40k lite, it wouldn't surprise me if GW has so little care about 40k that they will just remake it into whatever they want to, especially if they think that they can make more money trying to appeal to the masses of normies over their dedicated, loyal fanbase that has put up with their crap for decades.
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
Seems a bit disjointed? I had the impression everyone had been cheering-on the Astartes animator getting directly associated or hired by GW since some of the first things he put out, so them doing-so alongside bringing-aboard someone with the purpose of coordinating Warhammer media seems pretty natural?
Like, the dangers of 'casual' tinkering with the universe doesn't seem to have materialized yet and is something he's expressing concern of purely based on the theory of that hiring saying bad things?
Which...Is possible (and perfectly fair considering how such can be attributed to Star Trek and perhaps even Star Wars), but the current moves thus far would also seem more in-line with what existing fans are OK with or even applaud? Maybe?
I suppose 'keep your powder dry' isn't good advice since other fanbases doing so let things progress deep into 'WTF?' territory, but still...doesn't seem like there's much of a target to be fired at yet?
But, then, this is coming from one of those 'casual' 40K fans who just has a rough knowledge of the universe and peeks-in occasionally to read something recommended (or watch it, in the case of the Astartes stuff)
Like, the dangers of 'casual' tinkering with the universe doesn't seem to have materialized yet and is something he's expressing concern of purely based on the theory of that hiring saying bad things?
Which...Is possible (and perfectly fair considering how such can be attributed to Star Trek and perhaps even Star Wars), but the current moves thus far would also seem more in-line with what existing fans are OK with or even applaud? Maybe?
I suppose 'keep your powder dry' isn't good advice since other fanbases doing so let things progress deep into 'WTF?' territory, but still...doesn't seem like there's much of a target to be fired at yet?
But, then, this is coming from one of those 'casual' 40K fans who just has a rough knowledge of the universe and peeks-in occasionally to read something recommended (or watch it, in the case of the Astartes stuff)
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
That is one of the advantages of table top.
Don't like the direction it's going? Fall back on old models, lore and rule books. As I understand it, that's why DnD is still very popular despite it being pozzed into oblivion.
40k may or may not pull it off, but they are facing 2 major challenges:
-Avoid insertion of all sorts of current day US political bullshit as noticeable elements in writing and casting.
-Avoid chasing low rating and mythical "wider audience" by "taming" the setting. 40k needs at minimum sci-fi horror/HBO show level stuff shown and no funny moves to try avoid that.
There were already a bit of warning signs with the former but seems like they are restraining these impulses so far, and as for the latter, no idea what idea the ex-Hasbro guy has regarding this kind of stuff but being ex-Hasbro strikes me like he might have a temptation to go that route rather than dealing with more controversial material.
-Avoid insertion of all sorts of current day US political bullshit as noticeable elements in writing and casting.
-Avoid chasing low rating and mythical "wider audience" by "taming" the setting. 40k needs at minimum sci-fi horror/HBO show level stuff shown and no funny moves to try avoid that.
There were already a bit of warning signs with the former but seems like they are restraining these impulses so far, and as for the latter, no idea what idea the ex-Hasbro guy has regarding this kind of stuff but being ex-Hasbro strikes me like he might have a temptation to go that route rather than dealing with more controversial material.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Its been ruined since they decided to 'advance' the storyline. I mean Primaris marines? Primarchs waking up? wtf.
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
The OSR is such a big part of the hobby now that tabletop gamers are talking about 'OldHammer'.
Aldarion
Neoreactionary Monarchist
DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
I'm not quite convinced by Arch's logic in this case, a lot of it comes off as just complaining about any sort of change. There are certainly issues, in some cases major issues with some of thier new stuff, such as some of the depictions of Ultramar in the new comic, or the precise way the new primaris marines have been rolled out (such as the fact that, 3 years in, they still have next to no customization for thier HQs). But overall 40k is doing alright these days.
Arch's main concern of warhammer "going mainstream" seems...off, I think. Warhammer has never been a giant of the sci-fi world, but it's always been mainstream SF, with tons of books and videos games to it's name, many of them extremely well regarded and very well known. Also, many of them do exactly what Arch and some of the more grognardy fans complain about, namely toning down the more over the top grimdark elements of the franchise.
As for his complaints about the "mythical wider audience", I think he's again slightly off base. I can't think of a lot of franchises that have sold out in order to target just a "wider" audience, rather, as his example of STD shows, they've switched gears to try and target a different audience. The most obvious (to me) examples being the many RTS games that have retooled themselves to try and become the next starcraft. Thus far, warhammer doesn't appear to be going that route, though it's hard to tell what they are doing.
Right now, they mostly just seem to be wanting to get an animated multimedia division off the ground ASAP, hence why they've been snapping up nearly all the high profile creators that have already built an audience or show promise, rather than taking a more conventional route. What they'll do from there is up in the air, but I don't think it's going to ruin everything, most likely it'll just shift the overall tone to something more in line with a slightly more grimdark Ciaphas Cain, rather than the "classic" era's tone of "it strains credulity to believe the imperium hasn't already collapsed under it's own weight"....which I think I can live with.
Arch's main concern of warhammer "going mainstream" seems...off, I think. Warhammer has never been a giant of the sci-fi world, but it's always been mainstream SF, with tons of books and videos games to it's name, many of them extremely well regarded and very well known. Also, many of them do exactly what Arch and some of the more grognardy fans complain about, namely toning down the more over the top grimdark elements of the franchise.
As for his complaints about the "mythical wider audience", I think he's again slightly off base. I can't think of a lot of franchises that have sold out in order to target just a "wider" audience, rather, as his example of STD shows, they've switched gears to try and target a different audience. The most obvious (to me) examples being the many RTS games that have retooled themselves to try and become the next starcraft. Thus far, warhammer doesn't appear to be going that route, though it's hard to tell what they are doing.
Right now, they mostly just seem to be wanting to get an animated multimedia division off the ground ASAP, hence why they've been snapping up nearly all the high profile creators that have already built an audience or show promise, rather than taking a more conventional route. What they'll do from there is up in the air, but I don't think it's going to ruin everything, most likely it'll just shift the overall tone to something more in line with a slightly more grimdark Ciaphas Cain, rather than the "classic" era's tone of "it strains credulity to believe the imperium hasn't already collapsed under it's own weight"....which I think I can live with.
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