paulobrito
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Nothing special. After all, the WW2 I-400 series is way bigger.
Nah. It's more that it's a new job for a US HK sub. Like I wouldn't be surprised if we sink it just because, then claim we didn't.That’s either madness or if it somehow works, genius. If North Korea can develop ballistic missile submarines of any variety, that is a dramatic increase of its power.
The Romeo's are just reskinned Type-XXI U-Boats, after all, so an I-400 class would be a decent contemporary comparison.Nothing special. After all, the WW2 I-400 series is way bigger.
That’s either madness or if it somehow works, genius. If North Korea can develop ballistic missile submarines of any variety, that is a dramatic increase of its power.
I wouldn't be so dismissive, having a mobile platform to launch their missiles still means that they are now within striking distance of a bunch of U.S. cities.Nah. It's more that it's a new job for a US HK sub. Like I wouldn't be surprised if we sink it just because, then claim we didn't.
Yeah, which is why I think it'll sink in an 'accident'.I wouldn't be so dismissive, having a mobile platform to launch their missiles still means that they are now within striking distance of a bunch of U.S. cities.
Is the sub dubious and outdated? Yep. Can U.S. Sonar easily track and shadow them? Yes. Do these missiles have dubious chances of successfully launching? Undoubtedly.
But even with all of the above they still have a chance, and we are now within range, the worst case before for us was a Missile Hitting Hawaii now they have access to all of the Western Continental United States and possibly the east coast as well if they get a place willing to allow them to resupply like Cuba or Venezuela.
But even with all of the above they still have a chance, and we are now within range, the worst case before for us was a Missile Hitting Hawaii now they have access to all of the Western Continental United States and possibly the east coast as well if they get a place willing to allow them to resupply like Cuba or Venezuela.
Somebody wonted trucks on his holidays ?
Somebody wonted trucks on his holidays ?
What you don't see is the Boat Guys just outside of the shot grilling on the LCUs lol.Just a nice day at the beach.
All empirical evidence suggests the opposite. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are prosperous cities, and the battleships won operation crossroads.Let me ask, would you rather have say, the US blown back to the age of steam, or the bronze age?
There are degrees of damage even in nuclear war, and the are ways to survive and rebuild if you are able to keep some amount of equipment, knowhow, and resources alive so as few knowledge gaps as possible exist among those who rebuild.
WW2 battleships could take direct hits from modern missiles and keep on chugging as I understand it; meanwhile a single salvo from an Iowa class battleship would rip apart any modern warship.All empirical evidence suggests the opposite. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are prosperous cities, and the battleships won operation crossroads.
I was commenting on the battleship’s durability and firepower. I am aware modern sensors and range are quite a bit superior to what was available in 1945.A modern ship would basically completely disable a battleship from Beyond VR
The passive defenses of the Iowa make for a really goddamn weird problem for modern ship-killing methods, because they are wildly impractical to sink unless you have a full-on Arsenal Ship laying around or get out the tactical nukes. The disabling is very much on the Iowas being a clusterfuck of modernizations not remotely built for the environment at the end of their life.A modern ship would basically completely disable a battleship from Beyond VR
Yeah, but the devil is in the details. A battleship can survive these missiles, but chances are it will be blind and crippled, like any other ship hit by them.WW2 battleships could take direct hits from modern missiles and keep on chugging as I understand it; meanwhile a single salvo from an Iowa class battleship would rip apart any modern warship.
They stopped being cost effective, but they didn’t stop being effective.
Cool, your BB is now blind, deaf and basically a giant sitting target due to being slower, have less range. And the captain and the bridge crew are now dead.The passive defenses of the Iowa make for a really goddamn weird problem for modern ship-killing methods, because they are wildly impractical to sink unless you have a full-on Arsenal Ship laying around or get out the tactical nukes. The disabling is very much on the Iowas being a clusterfuck of modernizations not remotely built for the environment at the end of their life.
Solving the issue of shock propagation knocking out electronics, which is the one cause of what you're talking about, is just a matter of cross-referencing numbers with the supercarriers answer on a clean hull actually built for this, instead of a decades-old hull getting electronics bolted in wherever they happen to fit.
Granted, you're more likely to see a CB in the 25-40 thousand long ton displacement range than the 80k+ needed to be worth calling a capital ship next to the supercarriers, but it's still easy to relentlessly fuck with the current naval warfare paradigm this way. Hellishly expensive, but easy.
The point is that the shock-propagation damage to electronics is solvable by actually building for it. Even if it's literally just sticking the equipment in spring-isolated blocks or some other similarly tonnage-bleeding brute-force approach.Cool, your BB is now blind, deaf
Do you seriously think that a smaller ship with less engineering constraints on hull shaping is certain to be slower than the supercarriers?basically a giant sitting target due to being slower
They pour R&D money into a wide variety of hardware that this is true of. Because you can carry hundreds of times the ammo for the cargo space and cost of a typical cruise missile loadout with various forms of non-missile artillery.have less range
And this isn't the case for the supercarriers? Every single thing we do to harden those can be done better on a ship that doesn't have a massive structural void and doesn't spend tonnage pushing the deck far above the waterline.And the captain and the bridge crew are now dead.