Proxy 404
Well-known member
how is standing for grinding down the rights of your fellow Americans, conservative?
We Need To Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives
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There is nothing more in line with tradition then revenge. Its something that all human cultures have all of them talk about and all of them have stories and epics about.
In other words what goes around comes around and don't come bitching to me when the tactics you gleefully used on others are used on you in turn.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Alright then.
Outside of very Far Right lalaland, where is that a major talking point of the Right? "Repeal the 19th" is a meme for the most part.
Proxy 404
Well-known member
what you call revenge I was taught as the golden rule, if you feel mistreated first look at your own actions be the change you want to see
packing the court by way of misgovernance for decades to get roe overturned, bites at the protections of religious freedom and voting rights by the right, I'm told it can be a mateer of perspective but dafuck people publicly want to repeal the the 19th? thats basically declaring wart on your fellow Americans right?
There is zero self reflection in there. How about you live what you preach before trying to impose stuff you don't live up to onto others.
Proxy 404
Well-known member
okay help me out here what am I not seeing?
King Krávoka
An infection of Your universe.
Yes! I've heard enough of being the next *spit* Rome, I want to be the first realization of America.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Conservatives whine alot, but do very little.
A conservative is just a 15 year ago liberal.
That's not really true.
Most people think that b/c Conservatives are content to let others live their lives. Conservatives tend not to push back until they feel forced to it.
That's a strength, but also a weakness, as it allows those who seek to consolidate power the chance to do so.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Its because conservatives are actually moral relativists.
"I just want to grill" means you lack convictions beyond consuming product.
Grinding down rights, where? I am pretty sure most of us here oppose government overreach such as the Patriot Act. Most of us (if not all) oppose the use of government power to silence dissent. Many of us are clearly enraged by the abuse of power by police, especially against law abiding citizens.
If you are talking about things like Roe- it never was a right to begin with. It was overturning a bad court decision and restoring an actual right of the states and the American public to decide such thorny issues for themselves- and not to have it dictated from on-high by an anointed political/judicial class.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
No, conservatives are naturally inclined towards tradition but aren't political junkies for the most part. This would normally be fine, but we're up against a dogmatic misunderstanding of the world, near totalitarian in its reach and obsession, that has had centuries to snowball.
I think the left right devide is missleading.
Three values.
Liberty, Equality, and Stability/franternity.
The current left right devide is in actuality an alliance between people with liberty/freedom as their core value and people with stability/franternity as their core value against the equalist fraction.
While people who have stability as their core value get a reputation for being authoritiarian when you look around at the societies they create their often vastly different. This is because the goal is stability and thus it is a need that can be satiated. Thus people with this core value can create vastly different societies cultures and civilizations because their willing to engage with their environement and create compromises to reach their desired goal which is stability.
Its really hard to get people with that value set to fight because the goal is a stable society, but on the flip side once they actually do fight their historically very good at it.
Proxy 404
Well-known member
Rings pretty damn hollow when it only happened after 4 scotus noms lied and a decade plus of gop rat fucking, because it would have never survived a popular vote
bintananth
behind a desk
If you want something to stand the test of time relying on the popular vote isn't the way to do it because today's majority is yesterday's and tomorrow's minority.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
This has been thoroughly debunked.
Opinion | The Justices Didn’t Lie to the Senate
No one in the Supreme Court’s Dobbs majority promised to uphold Roe v. Wade.
www.wsj.com
Did Supreme Court Justices Lie By Claiming They Wouldn’t Overturn Roe V. Wade? Here’s What They Actually Said.
Some prominent Democrats, including Rep. Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, have said they want conservative justices to be punished for allegedly going against their testimony.
www.forbes.com
The real irony here is that the method those justices used to "lie?" A precedent set by Ruth Bader Ginsberg literally called the Ginsberg Standard, which was also used by Sotomayor and Kagan among others. The Conservative justice nominations literally simply followed the same methods every Liberal justice nomination does, claiming they're lying is a massive double standard.
THE GINSBURG STANDARD: No Hints, No Forecasts, No Previews…And No Special Obligations | U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa
THE GINSBURG STANDARD: No Hints, No Forecasts, No Previews…And No Special Obligations ‘Judges…Are...
www.grassley.senate.gov
Roe V Wade would have never survived a popular vote, you mean. And as people say, they never lied- they just followed the example that yours do. So if the GOP were fucking rats as you claim, then the Dems were probably claiming scores of beavers and capys.
And, what you mean by a popular vote? If it were state by state, it would definitely pass. The only problem would be if this were put to a national vote, but that wouldn't be appropriate. Why should a voter in California decide State Law in North Dakota, or a voter in Utah decide for New York? The United States is a federation, and the states should be able to decide certain issues for themselves and the ability for one state to enforce their will undemocratically on another is unjust.
bintananth
behind a desk
Roe v. Wade actually stated a reasonable opinion on abortion. How that US Supreme Court reached their opinion was something a later group of Justices determined was an error and kicked the issue to a more appropriate venue.
Let's not argue this and call it a day. We're probably not ever going to completely agree on what is or is not acceptable when abortion is the topic.
bintananth
behind a desk
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
When that was written 'regulated' was a synonym for 'supplied'.