bintananth
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If Puerto Ricans want to apply for statehood, they can. Congress will almost certainly say "no" due to political partisanship and racisim.
History What are some of your most contraversial takes on history?
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Possibly, and unfortunately.
BTW, if you're curious who the third man out of the three verified oldest US citizen men since 2005 was, it's this man:
2/3rds of Slovakia's Jews died in 1942 as a result of the Slovak government's own foolishness in believing that the Nazis were taking Slovak Jews abroad to work (never to return to Slovakia, of course) rather than to get murdered. The transports were stopped in late 1942 once Slovakia's government found out the truth about this. By then, 1/3 of Slovakia's Jews were still alive, but this number further dwindled since a sizable part of these Jews were murdered by the Nazis in late 1944 after the Slovak National Uprising occurred and was crushed:
The Jews in Subcarpathian Ruthenia (formerly a part of Czechoslovakia) were murdered in mid-1944, shortly after Hungary was occupied by Nazi Germany.
The Jews in Czechia were apparently murdered gradually between 1942 and 1944:
Interestingly enough, almost a quarter of the community managed to emigrate before the Holocaust:
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Another controversial take on history: Korea's modernization could only have happened by being colonized by another foreign power. Before Korea's independence from the Qing Dynasty in the aftermath of the First Sino-Japanese War, they were one of the most loyal tributary states of China, but the social structures there were not that good. In fact, modern compulsory education only occurred after the Japanese annexation of Korea. However, what Japanese colonialism brought to Korea was something terrible: forced assimilation of Koreans into Japanese society, the name changes, land confiscations, and most notably, slave labor and the comfort women issue.
Wasn't Emperor Kojong a tepid reformer?
Look up what the Joseon dynasty did to Admiral Yi..
That's what the dynasty did to its greatist hero...and when you do shit like that to your heroes you get less of them. That said the Japanese decision to murder Queen Min and desicrate her corspe did the japanese no favors when it came to their reputation, but when one looks at the Joseon...I honestly think they were at that point in time beyond meaningful reform.
The Era we are living through now is strangly enough a Korean golden age, at least for the south and I think koreans will remember it that way when the dark times come.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Wasn’t Admiral Yi arrested because of court intrigue that was caused by a Japanese double agent?
His arrest led to Won Gyun literally fucking up the naval battles.
But yeah, before the Japanese colonial period, Hangul was rarely used and the literary elite were writing in Chinese characters.
Agreed.
I see genuine YouTube comments from people saying "this is why the class system should be abolished" (as in capitalism, not religious classes) and "workers should own a piece of XX".
Of course, most comments, judging from the pictures on their comments/avatars, are from fucking brain-dead teenagers or people in their twenties.
Communism, folks -- not even once.
In case you don't belive him this is Korea from space at night, that dark place thats north korea.
"But, but muh communism!"
In case you don't believe him this is Korea from space at night, that dark place thats north korea.
What a lot of these brain-dead kids, especially the girls and soy-boys, don't understand is that their view of communism, e.g. maintaining a Western/capitalist lifestyle like using their shitty iPhones to tweet their outrage or drinking their $10.00 Starbucks' coffees, while they want to own companies and be given money, isn't the reality.
The reality would be all of them having all their shit taken from them and distributed to whomever those in charge deem deserving, and they themselves drop-kicked in a field to harvest wheat, or be dumped into a factory to work on an assembly line, or... worse -- especially if they're young, attractive, and female.
As some one who worked in academia and actually talked to these people.
They don't care, communists/socialists/SJWs their not motivated by compassion. I know them I've talked to them that is just shit they spew to make themselves seem more likable. Their motivation is envy.
It doesn't matter that most of these guys are children of the wealthy that their lives are much better then 80% of their fellow country men. What makes them angry is that some one else dares to have more, and I promise you this. You could show them exactly how much it would cost them personally, but if they could murder, torture, and rape the people they hate.
AKA you and me, they would consider it worth it.
The pain they inflict on others isn't a side effect its the entire point.
IIRC, the Nazis only officially decided to mass-murder all the Jews in 1942 or so. Before that, it was just making them work, with a poorly thought-out end goal of maybe being able to deport them all to somewhere after the war was over.
In case you don't belive him this is Korea from space at night, that dark place thats north korea.
Now I'm imagining some Western hippie looking at this and saying "Cooool, mon! Look how environmentally friendly Communism is, so little light pollution!"
Of course by that standard the Mongols were environmentally friendly!
Eparkhos
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I once had a legitimate, full-blown argument with my history prof because she thought the Mongol's environmental impact and expansion of trade made up for killing tens of millions. Not even the worst take I got that year.
They did expand trade and contact between various people's and kingdoms. However, they still were a rampaging horde that killed countless people and committed horrific acts on a massive scale.
History is not black and white like your history professor is basically arguing for, and I'm absolutely floored such a person is a bloody professor of history!
not surprised at all. Academia is full of drama and people who just hate humanity.
It's honestly horrific.
Personal bias is one thing, but if you're in academia you should keep such biases in check so you can see the whole picture in an objective manner.
Revisionism should have no place in it.
I dunno how you've worked with such people without wanting to strangle them. sigh
You have no idea how toxic academia is, expecially research.
And depending on what department your in it gets worse. The more woke the department the more toxic and horrible it is, thats the general rule. It is petty tyrants, ego, and assholes all the way down my friend.
Definitely areas I'm steering clear of, then.
You have no idea how toxic academia is, especially research.
And depending on what department your in it gets worse. The more woke the department the more toxic and horrible it is, that's the general rule. It is petty tyrants, ego, and assholes all the way down my friend.
Very controversial for today.
Stepan Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. He was responsible for killing thousands of Poles, Jews, and Gypsy.
Anyone who supports or worships him and his ideology are Nazis and Fascists by extension.
Stepan Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. He was responsible for killing thousands of Poles, Jews, and Gypsy.
Anyone who supports or worships him and his ideology are Nazis and Fascists by extension.
I think your history prof had a point -- quite literally every government in that era was responsible for mass killings, the Mongols at least accomplished things on top of all the killing and looting, and they actually held to rather more consistent rules of war than just about any other major power of the day.