You are wrong about individual state guards. They absolutely did and they fired at the victims of the protestors not the commie swine
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WHAT IF the 2020 Presidential Election was PROVEN Fraudulant and Trump was actually Elected???
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You are wrong about individual state guards. They absolutely did and they fired at the victims of the protestors not the commie swine
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I need proof of this.
Because no Nat guard unit fired. We would know
The only thing I've found is a single report of two Louisville, KY police and 2 National Guard soldiers returning fire after someone shot at them. Apparently, the shooter was killed. Only thing that's really addressed in the article is that the Mayor is unhappy, and is deeply sad that the shooter died.
So, yeah @The Immortal Watch Dog, please let me know what you have that testifies to more than that.
So, yeah @The Immortal Watch Dog, please let me know what you have that testifies to more than that.
Digging through a year of shit on multiple discordant because our resident glowie insists he would totally know bro and people are still naive isn't my cup of tea.
I'll do it later and probably also Include some banter for forcing me to go through the trouble
I'll do it later and probably also Include some banter for forcing me to go through the trouble
I will happily accept your banter.
It was a state guard unit and they fired rubber bullets and honestly if they had done that in Cicero or some other place where Dominicans were legitimately forming up death squads and hunting down their black neighbors I would have applauded them for doing their duty.
But what I remember about the clip was that it looked like a random calm suburb filled with grillbros and that's a line that once crossed is almost impossible roll back from.
In Minneapolis they fired on people standing on their front porch as they made their way through some neighborhood. Can't remember if it was a suburb or the city proper, but the houses were pretty close together. They used paintball guns, though. Not sure if it had an irritant in it or not.
That is definitely not the same
It's entirely the same.
Firing on a neighborhood not rioting, is an act of sedition.
They went out of their way to find a peaceful area and refused to fire on the rioters.
Zero faith, zero trust.
Which is my point
Generals kneeled before BLM insurrectionists, Nat guardsmen fired on peaceful civilians but protected rapists and arsonists perpetrating a nationwide kristalnacht in the name of black supremacy.
No theoretical conflict involves the governemnt, any aspect of it siding with the citizens
That was police somewhere in residential areas of Minneapolis IIRC.
From what I saw, it was both the Naasty girls and the PD. Enforcing curfew
Oh, my bad, it was actually the police doing the shooting. The Guard had been immediately in front of them, and given how the police like to dress up like the military these days I mistook them for all belonging to the Guard.
So, if a few thousand votes in several key states were manipulated, leading to a Biden electoral victory, and the media as far to the left as CNN actually admitted this happened...
I imagine first of all there's a subset of Democrats who fall into camps like "we still won the popular vote" and "Trump legitimately was that bad so good on the riggers." I don't think this would be a majority opinion, but I think it'd be one you hear a lot due to signal boosting of the craziest shit people say. I'd expect a ton of "whataboutism" to come up involving Democratic talking points involving Republican voter suppression and how bad the electoral college is that is enough to satisfy most hardcore Democrats.
As generally mentioned a fraudulent election has no real recourse at the moment, so Biden stays in power, especially if he's not actually proved responsible for any campaign. Worst case politically for Democrats is likely some round of impeachment proceedings. I imagine the core Democratic Party would be eager to hang the culprits out to dry as scapegoats. No one in the Democratic Party is irreplaceable right now. I think people who learned about the scheme before the election would be much more likely to keep it quiet, but with Democratic executive authority pretty much inviolate until the next election I think there would be no loyalty what so ever to the perpetrators.
Honestly the scenario is pretty damn weird. The polling data expected a much bigger Democratic victory than we got. I would expect a fraudulant election to match that a lot more closely. Having the power to rig the election and make a controversial, squeaked by victory suggests to me that it would've been a few rogue agents in key positions rather than some kind of master conspiracy that conservatives seem to think exists.
My hot take is that not a lot changes. The level of fear and distrust on both sides right now makes me think that very few Democrats would change their votes based on proven fraud by "their" side. If it turned out a hundred thousand of Trump's votes were faked and he lost the election anyway I don't think that'd change many Republicans to voting for Democrats. With current and thin margins of victory the small group that does change their votes might be very influential, but I don't think the electoral landscape changes for more than one Republican blowout at most.
Socially I think the media and elections lose a lot of credibility, but I don't think it's an order of magnitude worse than the 2000 election. Both parties have survived scandals I think are comparable to this even if this would be somewhat larger. Monica Lewinsky and Iran-Contra seem like easy points for "neither party is broken just because their leaders did immoral and illegal shit" and worst case is something like the current DNC gets dissolved and another set of people with "D" next to their names takes over with the same positions and support base.
I'd tentatively expect the Bernie Sanders crowd to gain the most from this. They're distanced from the core of the DNC, would be able to condemn the fraud without obvious hypocrisy, and could likely make a credible claim that they're also the victims of fraud as who knows what primary elections got warped if the national election was stolen. I think a lot of young Democrats would move further to the left and away from the center in this situation, as going full Republican is basically impossible on a social level but screaming bloody murder about the centrist Democrats is already quite popular.
I also think I'm making an optimistic case for Republican gains in this scenario, which I doubt many people here will like hearing. The timeline where CNN admits the election was stolen seems like it'd be a pretty narrow one, as most conspiracy theories involving the election assume the media to the left of Fox (at best) is complicit to some degree. The country actually agreeing the election was stolen, instead of a massive denial campaign inside the Democrats, is a fairly optimistic version of how a stolen election could have gone down and the integrity of the media.
I don't put faith in polling as most of it is actually used to shape opinion now adays. I EXPECT a lot of polls to show huge margins for Dems now. It's pretty much a given pre-election.
I don't know HOW much would change in this WI. At the least we'd have to see an FBI and Court system actually interested in, at the least, confronting the possibility that the election was stolen on a national level.
Well. The timeline presented is pretty incompatible from a lot of "stolen election" theories.
My take on "proven" means "New York Times and Washington Post are running articles accepting the premise" and I think most "stolen election" theorists think the media as a whole actually does know the election was stolen and is lying about it. The timeline where the steal is proven requires most of the left wing view of the world to actually be correct on a lot of details of how the media ecosystem and government work right now. It'd have to have been stolen in a way both party bases would actually accept for the proof to actually change anything and be accepted.
Without proof in terms liberals believe you basically have our own timeline except maybe "Republicans convince a slightly larger batch of Independents of their claims." Proof being publicly known requires a media and justice department that isn't actually complicit in the steal. There's probably middle grounds here, but I think it looks a lot more like the 2000 election then a popular uprising, where most people accept the system is screwy but act like it's legitimate for lack of real alternatives.