What If? Which of these ships can survive the longest in the Star Wars Galaxy

We snag a Jedi with the first name Cal and the last name Kestis to join the Battlegroup. A Force User can easily sus out any Darkside stuff.
Not always: before Disney, well, fucked up, there were so many Jedi and Force sensitives, even grand masters, who succumbed to what was out there. Plot armour is a hella thing, and it's even more terrifying when you don't have it, haha.

I can't remember the name, but there's a "species" (of sorts) of Dark Side wraiths that haunt the layer of space hyperspace uses, is attracted to Force Sensitives, and has been known to kill and eat Light-aligned Jedi/Force Sensitives. They look like giant skeletons or ghouls.

...Man, the EU may have been a dumpster fire at times, but there was some truly good shit in there, too. Fucking Disney. sigh.
 
Not always: before Disney, well, fucked up, there were so many Jedi and Force sensitives, even grand masters, who succumbed to what was out there. Plot armour is a hella thing, and it's even more terrifying when you don't have it, haha.

I can't remember the name, but there's a "species" (of sorts) of Dark Side wraiths that haunt the layer of space hyperspace uses, is attracted to Force Sensitives, and has been known to kill and eat Light-aligned Jedi/Force Sensitives. They look like giant skeletons or ghouls.

...Man, the EU may have been a dumpster fire at times, but there was some truly good shit in there, too. Fucking Disney. sigh.


The biggest flaw of the EU was a lack of imagination in regards that it was 90% a never ending Jedi-Sith pissing match, Like the SW galaxy has a lot of other IMO far more interesting stories that could be told with little to no connection to force bullshit.
 
The biggest flaw of the EU was a lack of imagination in regards that it was 90% a never ending Jedi-Sith pissing match, Like the SW galaxy has a lot of other IMO far more interesting stories that could be told with little to no connection to force bullshit.
It's not so much that it was all based around the cyclical and never-ending Jedi--Sith conflict, but because it was literally the same shit, different time setting in-universe with tweaks. It got very repetitive.

Hell, even the most interesting takes on this formula (tOR's Sith Empire being resurgent from the Old Sith Empire, for example) had the whole "Sith in hiding, then sudden strike!" shtick.

But when stories did focus on other shit, like those Dark Side Wraiths I mentioned, things got even better. Hell, I loved that Zombie Trooper story ("Death Troopers") which was basically just a zombie movie in space, on a Star Destroyer. It worked, heh.
 
It's not so much that it was all based around the cyclical and never-ending Jedi--Sith conflict, but because it was literally the same shit, different time setting in-universe with tweaks. It got very repetitive.

Hell, even the most interesting takes on this formula (tOR's Sith Empire being resurgent from the Old Sith Empire, for example) had the whole "Sith in hiding, then sudden strike!" shtick.

But when stories did focus on other shit, like those Dark Side Wraiths I mentioned, things got even better. Hell, I loved that Zombie Trooper story ("Death Troopers") which was basically just a zombie movie in space, on a Star Destroyer. It worked, heh.


Yeah the same story being told again and again and then some more got old really fast.
 
The Hardcore fans mindlessly crave that. And when you do something different they throw a hissy fit.
Star Wars basically is about the Light versus the Dark, and the Jedi/Sith conflict are the poster boys for it to the point where they pretty much embody it.

It's why people got pissed when the new Star Wars films didn't feature the Sith until DIsney went "oh fuck, we not only wrote ourselves into a massive corner with those two dumpster fire movies already but we have no idea how to end it. Oh! Let's just magically resurrect Sidious!", and then they became even more pissed when they realized Sidious and the Sith were just being used to try to prop up their failure of a movie/franchise.

However, the trouble is that the Star Wars universe isn't just about the Jedi and Sith -- Light versus Dark can appear in many iterations, with or without Jedi, Sith, or Force Sensitives being a centerpoint.

Even the movies understood this, with non-Jedi and non-Sith fighting against one another.

Fanboys and fangirls need to understand that.
 
Star Wars basically is about the Light versus the Dark, and the Jedi/Sith conflict are the poster boys for it to the point where they pretty much embody it.

It's why people got pissed when the new Star Wars films didn't feature the Sith until DIsney went "oh fuck, we not only wrote ourselves into a massive corner with those two dumpster fire movies already but we have no idea how to end it. Oh! Let's just magically resurrect Sidious!", and then they became even more pissed when they realized Sidious and the Sith were just being used to try to prop up their failure of a movie/franchise.

However, the trouble is that the Star Wars universe isn't just about the Jedi and Sith -- Light versus Dark can appear in many iterations, with or without Jedi, Sith, or Force Sensitives being a centerpoint.

Even the movies understood this, with non-Jedi and non-Sith fighting against one another.

Fanboys and fangirls need to understand that.
Yep and lets also not forget their obsession with characters being killed off. They wanted Ahsoka to die so many times it is actually disturbing. She must die. I ask why and the answer I always got is SHE MUST!!!! I mean come on in Real Life Heroic people don't get killed off when they do a lot of Heroic things. I mean many just die of old age. But the Hardcore fans have a warped view of how reality works for sure. That and they don't want a character to have growth and say hey maybe the path I am on is gonna keep leading to me ending up defeated by the heroes. Maybe I should change. Nope remain the villain foil.
 
Yep and lets also not forget their obsession with characters being killed off. They wanted Ahsoka to die so many times it is actually disturbing. She must die. I ask why and the answer I always got is SHE MUST!!!! I mean come on in Real Life Heroic people don't get killed off when they do a lot of Heroic things. I mean many just die of old age. But the Hardcore fans have a warped view of how reality works for sure. That and they don't want a character to have growth and say hey maybe the path I am on is gonna keep leading to me ending up defeated by the heroes. Maybe I should change. Nope remain the villain foil.
Some of the Ahsoka hate stemmed from when she was introduced in The Clone Wars, but over time she went from being an annoying intrusion into a fandom favourite. Another portion wanted her to die simply because, as you said, they think a character dying without a good growth and character arc is good reading/drama.

And finally? Others want her dead for ideological reasons. Yes, I'm talking about SJWs... which is ironic, as Ahsoka is a well-rounded, fleshed out, strong, female character without her being some masculinized femNazi (or just a masculine, Western modern woman).
 
Some of the Ahsoka hate stemmed from when she was introduced in The Clone Wars, but over time she went from being an annoying intrusion into a fandom favourite. Another portion wanted her to die simply because, as you said, they think a character dying without a good growth and character arc is good reading/drama.

And finally? Others want her dead for ideological reasons. Yes, I'm talking about SJWs... which is ironic, as Ahsoka is a well-rounded, fleshed out, strong, female character without her being some masculinized femNazi (or just a masculine, Western modern woman).
Which is the major problem. You have rabid fans that want X and SJWs that want Y. While the rest of us in the middle just want a good story and none of the extremes.
 
That is precisely why SJWs will have wanted her dead.
Which is the major problem. You have rabid fans that want X and SJWs that want Y. While the rest of us in the middle just want a good story and none of the extremes.
Yup. It's a reflection of modern culture, sadly enough.

Every woman has to be a "boss babe" or a "strong, independent woman" with no flaws or development. It's ingrained into these writers' and directors' minds because they either genuinely believe in it or are spineless for going along with a narrative.

Let's not go into the sexual aspect of it all, too (e.g. being a cum-dumpster is to be celebrated; why men are avoiding deluded women who think they're a ten-ten when they're Jabba the Hutt's sister, Jabba the Slut, et cetera).

Another good example? The recent Predator movie, Prey.

The protagonist is already a strong, independent 'waman' who is already a good hunter; who wants to be a leader of her tribe; who wants to do this, and that, and thensome; who is scorning the "patriarchy" of her tribe. In reality, back then a woman trying these things would literally have the shit slapped out of her and told to go make the teepee already. That's just how the culture was at that time.

They could have done some great development with her as a character. They could have had her as the stereotypical homeworker which was the norm at the time, but have her rise above the challenges, develop as a person/character, and overcome the final obstacle (the Yautja).

Imagine a sister who is maternal and feminine. Imagine her seeing her brother and others mercilessly killed by the Predator one day near their village, as she's preparing the home. She's ignored as she's a woman and unarmed (the Predator code). Her brother's and their kins' skulls are taken as they're literally torn from their corpses in front of her, spraying her with blood. Imagine her emotionally hardening and becoming like steel over the course of the film as she trains and develops herself, ala the Hero's Journey.

And at the end, imagine seeing all that pay off -- a now battle-hardened woman standing tall over the defeated Predator... who then sadly buries all of her brother and their kin so that their spirits may finally rest in peace (yes, that's a bit of a stereotype, but it works), and then she leads the remainder of her tribe out of necessity/preparation for more possible Predators to arrive.

Even with the fucking Predator himself they could've done so much more:
  • A youngblood looking to prove himself, so he only drops with his wrist-blades, and has to make do with his mask and whatever he can craft using local materials (it could even be a female Yautja, which would've added more depth) -- we see him being given a warm send-off by his clanmates as he jumps or walks off the ramp of their ship
  • An aging elder going on a hunt with the bare essentials, and we see him being given a respectful send-off by his clan-mates at the start as he disembarks
  • A disgraced Yautja being exiled or a task to redeem himself; we see him being stripped of his armaments and equipment by his clanmates at the start in disgrace, before being marched off the ship (see Predator: Concrete Jungle as an example)
Minor character development could be implied in visual cues; for example, when he sees the main character, instead of outright killing her, he seemingly just considers it by looking at her through his mask's vision before walking off (a good example of this non-communicative development is, amusingly enough, in Doom and Doom: Eternal, with the Slayer's actions in-game).

Instead? "lolnope another primitive subspecies to excuse it using bows and arrows and other crude shit than the plasma guns and high-tech hunting gear seen before".

Anyway, we've seen this with Ellen Ripley and, as a more poignant example, Sarah Connor in Terminators 1, 2, and Chronicles (not Genyflop, though that can be excused as she was raised from a kid off-screen to be like that [excused doesn't mean good, however]). Hell, even in Woke Fate we saw her at the (bad end) of her journey in being a bitter, old woman (from being a youthful, naive waitress) -- paradoxically, we see the opposite in the woke shit examples of an androgynous protector and a Mary Sue illegal migrant John Connor replacement, lol.

They worked out fucking great, and they're hailed as idols of being strong women in fiction.

But anyway, I digress: what sounds better? The above example of a woman rising above challenges, learning, and overcoming the final obstacle... or the modern day interjection we received in Prey?

But, nope; "lol modern woman strong", and this is interjected into almost all media now, including Star Wars. Ahsoka pissed on all of that, and that's why she's hated.
 
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Yup. It's a reflection of modern culture, sadly enough.

Every woman has to be a "boss babe" or a "strong, independent woman" with no flaws or development. It's ingrained into these writers' and directors' minds because they either genuinely believe in it or are spineless for going along with a narrative.

Let's not go into the sexual aspect of it all, too (e.g. being a cum-dumpster is to be celebrated; why men are avoiding deluded women who think they're a ten-ten when they're Jabba the Hutt's sister, Jabba the Slut, et cetera).

Another good example? The recent Predator movie, Prey.

The protagonist is already a strong, independent 'waman' who is already a good hunter; who wants to be a leader of her tribe; who wants to do this, and that, and thensome; who is scorning the "patriarchy" of her tribe. In reality, back then a woman trying these things would literally have the shit slapped out of her and told to go make the teepee already. That's just how the culture was at that time.

They could have done some great development with her as a character. They could have had her as the stereotypical homeworker which was the norm at the time, but have her rise above the challenges, develop as a person/character, and overcome the final obstacle (the Yautja).

Imagine a sister who is maternal and feminine. Imagine her seeing her brother and others mercilessly killed by the Predator one day near their village, as she's preparing the home. She's ignored as she's a woman and unarmed (the Predator code). Her brother's and their kins' skulls are taken as they're literally torn from their corpses in front of her, spraying her with blood. Imagine her emotionally hardening and becoming like steel over the course of the film as she trains and develops herself, ala the Hero's Journey.

And at the end, imagine seeing all that pay off -- a now battle-hardened woman standing tall over the defeated Predator... who then sadly buries all of her brother and their kin so that their spirits may finally rest in peace (yes, that's a bit of a stereotype, but it works), and then she leads the remainder of her tribe out of necessity/preparation for more possible Predators to arrive.

Even with the fucking Predator himself they could've done so much more:
  • A youngblood looking to prove himself, so he only drops with his wrist-blades, and has to make do with his mask and whatever he can craft using local materials (it could even be a female Yautja, which would've added more depth) -- we see him being given a warm send-off by his clanmates as he jumps or walks off the ramp of their ship
  • An aging elder going on a hunt with the bare essentials, and we see him being given a respectful send-off by his clan-mates at the start as he disembarks
  • A disgraced Yautja being exiled or a task to redeem himself; we see him being stripped of his armaments and equipment by his clanmates at the start in disgrace, before being marched off the ship (see Predator: Concrete Jungle as an example)
Minor character development could be implied in visual cues; for example, when he sees the main character, instead of outright killing her, he seemingly just considers it by looking at her through his mask's vision before walking off (a good example of this non-communicative development is, amusingly enough, in Doom and Doom: Eternal, with the Slayer's actions in-game).

Instead? "lolnope another primitive subspecies to excuse it using bows and arrows and other crude shit than the plasma guns and high-tech hunting gear seen before".

Anyway, we've seen this with Ellen Ripley and, as a more poignant example, Sarah Connor in Terminators 1, 2, and Chronicles (not Genyflop, though that can be excused as she was raised from a kid off-screen to be like that [excused doesn't mean good, however]). Hell, even in Woke Fate we saw her at the (bad end) of her journey in being a bitter, old woman (from being a youthful, naive waitress) -- paradoxically, we see the opposite in the woke shit examples of an androgynous protector and a Mary Sue illegal migrant John Connor replacement, lol.

They worked out fucking great, and they're hailed as idols of being strong women in fiction.

But anyway, I digress: what sounds better? The above example of a woman rising above challenges, learning, and overcoming the final obstacle... or the modern day interjection we received in Prey?

But, nope; "lol modern woman strong", and this is interjected into almost all media now, including Star Wars. Ahsoka pissed on all of that, and that's why she's hated.
One addition. No Cheating Cloaking Device when fighting the Bear. The Bear was winning the fight against the Predator. And only lost because he could not see that the Predator was still alive. Have the Predator have to earn his gear not get advanced gear by default.
 
Star Wars basically is about the Light versus the Dark, and the Jedi/Sith conflict are the poster boys for it to the point where they pretty much embody it.

The Vong war was the best of the EU IMO because it wasn't light vs dark. Also you have the Pius Dea crusades but that one might of been a bit too derivative. I mean they literally flew around in cathedral ships after all.

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Although those aesthetics are so much better looking.
 
The Vong war was the best of the EU IMO because it wasn't light vs dark. Also you have the Pius Dea crusades but that one might of been a bit too derivative. I mean they literally flew around in cathedral ships after all.

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Although those aesthetics are so much better looking.
The Vong War is a lot like Marmite: you either love it or you hate it. It was very divisive in the fandom.

It also basically led directly into the whole Darth Caedus saga, where one of Luke's ex-girlfriends (originally a spy sent by Vader) went batshit insane and Sith (Lady Luminaya), taking one of his nephews as her apprentice.

After that, a few more decades down the line, there was the whole One Sith saga (with Darth Krayt, a Clone Wars-era Jedi that went nutso on Korriban and "bided his time"), IIRC my timelines correctly.

Also, that Warhammer 40k not Warhammer 40k ship aesthetic looks as metal as fuck.
 
The Vong War is a lot like Marmite: you either love it or you hate it. It was very divisive in the fandom.

It also basically led directly into the whole Darth Caedus saga, where one of Luke's ex-girlfriends (originally a spy sent by Vader) went batshit insane and Sith (Lady Luminaya), taking one of his nephews as her apprentice.

After that, a few more decades down the line, there was the whole One Sith saga (with Darth Krayt, a Clone Wars-era Jedi that went nutso on Korriban and "bided his time"), IIRC my timelines correctly.

Also, that Warhammer 40k not Warhammer 40k ship aesthetic looks as metal as fuck.

I actually think a Neo Pius Dea after the Vong war would of made sense and would of been more compelling rather than another round of Jedi-Sith bullshit.
 
I actually think a Neo Pius Dea after the Vong war would of made sense and would of been more compelling rather than another round of Jedi-Sith bullshit.
There were anti-alien, and especially anti-Vong, elements after the War: a lot of it was fomented and used by Luminaya and Caedus.

IIRC, one of them had Vong terraforming, which was to restore a world, go wrong and infect everything and everyone on it with Vong parasitic tentacles.
 
The Vong War is a lot like Marmite: you either love it or you hate it. It was very divisive in the fandom.

It also basically led directly into the whole Darth Caedus saga, where one of Luke's ex-girlfriends (originally a spy sent by Vader) went batshit insane and Sith (Lady Luminaya), taking one of his nephews as her apprentice.

After that, a few more decades down the line, there was the whole One Sith saga (with Darth Krayt, a Clone Wars-era Jedi that went nutso on Korriban and "bided his time"), IIRC my timelines correctly.

Also, that Warhammer 40k not Warhammer 40k ship aesthetic looks as metal as fuck.

The Vong War was at least a change of pace even if as a bio-tech race from outside the galaxy I'll forever think of them as poor man Tyranids. xD

But yeah, speaking for myself I really hate the brain bug of everything in the GFFA being directly tied to one religious schism 25,000 years ago. To me it makes the universe seem smaller and less majestic in contrast to what if Palpatine was a bit like the Mule from the Foundation series. Just a man with force powers who realized he could manipulate minds and exploited that for his rise to power. Just instilling that sense of wonder that anything could happen in this galaxy or has done so if you looked far back enough.
 
The Vong War was at least a change of pace even if as a bio-tech race from outside the galaxy I'll forever think of them as poor man Tyranids. xD

But yeah, speaking for myself I really hate the brain bug of everything in the GFFA being directly tied to one religious schism 25,000 years ago. To me it makes the universe seem smaller and less majestic in contrast to what if Palpatine was a bit like the Mule from the Foundation series. Just a man with force powers who realized he could manipulate minds and exploited that for his rise to power. Just instilling that sense of wonder that anything could happen in this galaxy or has done so if you looked far back enough.

On the flip side, Mule was literally Muhammad... and religious wars between Islam and everything not-Islam had lasted ever since his death.
 
A bored ROB decides to have some fun at the expense of some of these ship crews expense. He takes ships from various universes and places them in the Star Wars Galaxy circa 10 years after the fall of the Old Republic. These are the ships

1: USS Enterprise NCC 1701-F (Has a Slipstream Drive) (Star Trek Picard/ Star Trek Online)
2: USS Odyssey (Post Unending) Stargate SG1
3: The SDF-1 (Robotech) Macross Saga
4: The Battlestar Galactica (NBSG)
5: The Battlestar Galactica (OBSG)
6: Moya (Farscape)
7: The Whitestar (Babylon 5)
8: USS Saratoga (Space Above and Beyond)
9: The Ark (Transformers G1)
10: The Space Battleship Yamato (Star Blazers)

These 10 Starships have been assembled together into a Battlegroup. All of the ships by act of ROB will work together for mutual survival. The Emperor has learned through the Force of the existence of these Battlegroup and has issued orders to have these ships destroyed. The Battlegroup has intel on the Empire and have a complete star map of the Galaxy. Also a few Wormholes that only they can access are located 5 Star Systems.

Tattooine System
Onderon System
Alderon System
Dantooine System
Endor System

The Battlegroup will be in the Star Wars Galaxy for 10 years. Can they evade and engage the Empire for that full time? And which ships make it to the end of the decade?

Special Note: The Battlegroup can if the opportunity arises help out people being attacked by Imperial Navy ships. While they are not joining the Rebellion. They can assist from time to time. The Commander of the Battlegroup will be Adama (OBSG).
I don't know too much about these ships to be honest but I'm going to assume the Enterprise F is just about invulnerable in post-EU Star Wars.

The First Order "Fleet Killer" with it's biggest guns have sub-nuclear payloads, while even TOS starships could glass a planet within too much time.

I'm not actually sure if anything outside of a death star or SSD could challenge even the Enterprise D, let alone it's successors of vastly greater power.
 

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