United States Why are "squatter's rights" a thing?

[King Arts]

Yeah and that caught up to them with decadence, corruption and moral decay. You have to keep at least some control or guard rails.

Virtue is the harder choice. Rot is easy. People will take the easy option if they think they can get away with it and it’s not going to immediately screw them.

True but the decadence started in the core of the Empire it's not like when they occupied the barbarians the barbarians were degenerates who then made the empire degenerate because the empire allowed locals to continue to practice their traditions. If anything it was the other way around where after the Gauls, and some Germans were civilized and became Roman they eventually became decadent due to the wealth and comfort the empire brought.

 

[Captain X]

It's a false problem. A problem made up by those who disagree with the statement already, but doesn't exist in the heads of those who do pose the "might makes right" problem.
Did Mongols ask about whether any of the countries they invaded subscribe to "might makes right" before deciding to invade them, and relented if they didn't?
Did Romans? Spanish Empire? Caliphates? Ottoman Empire? Nazis? Communists?
The reality is that all countries are opened up for invasion by those who believe might makes right regardless of their own opinion on the matter, unless they are too hard to invade that is.
The precedent logic is just simply completely missing the point if you apply it to some scenarios.

Okay, so are you not going to complain if the Russians come over your border and decide to conquer your country again and win?

 

[Marduk]

Okay, so are you not going to complain if the Russians come over your border and decide to conquer your country again and win?

You miss my fucking point. Russians don't give a fuck if we did that or not, they will invade those they can regardless of what the target thinks of "might makes right".
A nebulous "right to complain" is not going to affect them at all, there's a lot of complaining now and look how much they care, ability to kill them is more likely to deter them than that.
Not that even the worst past abusers of their past might lose their "right to complain" anyway, if they did, we would be hearing no complaining from Russians, Turks and Arabs.

 

[Blasterbot]

Might may not make right but it is a bitch and a half to be weak and rich.

 

[LordDemiurge]

I always thought squatter’s rights was made to deal with absentee landlords?

 

[Marduk]

I always thought squatter’s rights was made to deal with absentee landlords?

Yeah, on the frontier, where people may not have any interaction with local officials for years, nevermind have documented and notarized land deeds. It was a quick and dirty way to solve issue with random conflicting land claims base mostly on one's word (which naturally enabled a lot of fuckery), while mitigated by the fact that anyone who lost out on it could just go claim some other chunk of unimproved frontier land, but is painfully obsolete when it comes to ultra expensive land in cities that is documented to hell and back and has property taxes paid on yearly.

 

[bintananth]

Basques, perhaps,

I actually know someone who is part Basque. Her surname is Inchauste. If you have that surname you are tracebly related to her by blood or marriage.

It's that unusual.

 

[King Arts]

I always thought squatter’s rights was made to deal with absentee landlords?

Yes it is. That's why the rule is if someone is living continuously on a piece of land for over a year it becomes theres. If the land lord hasn't evicted, or brought legal suit against the people living for an ENTIRE YEAR. There is a problem. We shouldn't give property rights in perpetuity just because of a piece of paper.

 

[Marduk]

Yes it is. That's why the rule is if someone is living continuously on a piece of land for over a year it becomes theres. If the land lord hasn't evicted, or brought legal suit against the people living for an ENTIRE YEAR. There is a problem. We shouldn't give property rights in perpetuity just because of a piece of paper.

Red herring for ancoms who want to steal expensive property in trendy cities and turn it into their hangouts.
Why the hell not?
Also you wish in any place that has property taxes of any sort, try not paying those, see what happens, you will have a bigger problem than squatters.

 

[King Arts]

Red herring for ancoms who want to steal expensive property in trendy cities and turn it into their hangouts.
Why the hell not?
Also you wish in any place that has property taxes of any sort, try not paying those, see what happens, you will have a bigger problem than squatters.

If an ancom is at your house, or property you should call the police immediately. If you are some rich bigshot who has multiple property in many different places you should be keeping tabs on it, so within a month you call the police to remove them. If you aren't, you are basically abandoning the property.

I don't subscribe to your neo fudalism Marduk just becuz "muh commies" are the enemy.

 

[Marduk]

If an ancom is at your house, or property you should call the police immediately. If you are some rich bigshot who has multiple property in many different places you should be keeping tabs on it, so within a month you call the police to remove them. If you aren't, you are basically abandoning the property.

This is what i'm talking about, ancom level of understanding of the world.
If you are a rich bigshot who has many different properties in different places, you are indeed keeping tabs on it, because those are whole city blocks, sky scrapers or villas worth many millions, with janitors and security contracted to pay attention to it, that is if they aren't part of active business, because you didn't become a rich bigshot by not profiting off your investments after all and property taxes have to be paid even if you don't.
That is if you didn't sponsor half of local PD's station and so the chief will personally call you or your lawyer if a patrol spots something suspicious happening at his most gracious benefactor's property.

However, if you are a middle class family who inherited a house on another end of the country from a dead cousin or something, then you may not visit it often in person, and processing all the paperwork, sale etc may take years, or you may keep it held for your own children.

You think your cheeky support of it is fucking over Blackrock or Bill Gates, but in reality the only people this can fuck over is Smith family who has an inherited second home left by their uncle 4 states over.
Also no, in the squatter friendly lefty places calling the police is nowhere near enough, it's a start of a long, nasty and expensive legal process that the squatters will probably try to run the clock out on you, and possibly also shit up the property as much as possible if they feel like they will lose.

I don't subscribe to your neo fudalism Marduk just becuz "muh commies" are the enemy.

Middle class inheritance (which is what most often this drama happens about) is not neo feudalism, the fuck are you smoking.
It is however something that pisses off commies immensely, and destroying the middle class is one of few things the commies and the rich bigshots 100% agree about, even if they disagree about what should happen to all the property left after the middle class is dispossessed, let's just say both are optimistic about who will get it.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

This is what i'm talking about, ancom level of understanding of the world.
If you are a rich bigshot who has many different properties in different places, you are indeed keeping tabs on it, because those are whole city blocks, sky scrapers or villas worth many millions, with janitors and security contracted to pay attention to it, that is if they aren't part of active business, because you didn't become a rich bigshot by not profiting off your investments after all and property taxes have to be paid even if you don't.
That is if you didn't sponsor half of local PD's station and so the chief will personally call you or your lawyer if a patrol spots something suspicious happening at his most gracious benefactor's property.

However, if you are a middle class family who inherited a house on another end of the country from a dead cousin or something, then you may not visit it often in person, and processing all the paperwork, sale etc may take years, or you may keep it held for your own children.

You think your cheeky support of it is fucking over Blackrock or Bill Gates, but in reality the only people this can fuck over is Smith family who has an inherited second home left by their uncle 4 states over.
Also no, in the squatter friendly lefty places calling the police is nowhere near enough, it's a start of a long, nasty and expensive legal process that the squatters will probably try to run the clock out on you, and possibly also shit up the property as much as possible if they feel like they will lose.

Middle class inheritance (which is what most often this drama happens about) is not neo feudalism, the fuck are you smoking.
It is however something that pisses off commies immensely, and destroying the middle class is one of few things the commies and the rich bigshots 100% agree about, even if they disagree about what should happen to all the property left after the middle class is dispossessed, let's just say both are optimistic about who will get it.

Honestly, a working/middle-class family inheriting a rich uncle's house four states over rarely happens, and when it does, FAMILY tends to cause more issues than squatters do, when random family members come out of the woodwork and threaten to take the inheritor to court. Not to mention bam suddenly hit with new property taxes, renting selling or even maintaing the property becomes next to impossible because you live four states over and can't affored to hire anyone to bassivally own it on your behalf.

Lordship isn't the moneymaker people think it is unless it's already your bread and butter which is why most landlords tend to be rich real-estate people. Squatters rights can be a problem especially for buyers but there is a myriad of bigger problems with how property works in the US.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I'm with @Marduk on this one. Squatters never affect the wealthy, all they ever do is hurt people who might make a small investment somewhere, or inherit the land.

If we're letting random squatters steal land from their rightful owners, we might as well just go all the way and let the government steal it instead.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I'm with @Marduk on this one. Squatters never affect the wealthy, all they ever do is hurt people who might make a small investment somewhere, or inherit the land.

If we're letting random squatters steal land from their rightful owners, we might as well just go all the way and let the government steal it instead.

Like they already don't?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Like they already don't?

They absolutely do, but in the cases where a squatter goes "Dis my land", might as well toss it to daddy Gov instead to spite both parties.
Or, we can just stop the nonsense and say 'go someplace else' to the squatters, and to the Gov.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

They absolutely do, but in the cases where a squatter goes "Dis my land", might as well toss it to daddy Gov instead to spite both parties.
Or, we can just stop the nonsense and say 'go someplace else' to the squatters, and to the Gov.

Personally, I'm more concerned about taxes than I am with squatters right now. But then again I'm not part of the landowning class. i've only got one home and I don't leave it for a significant length of time. (A week at most) mortgages are killing my family more than squatters.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Personally, I'm more concerned about taxes than I am with squatters right now. But then again I'm not part of the landowning class. i've only got one home and I don't lead it for a significant length of time. (A week at most) mortgages are killing my family more than squatters.

Well, no need to focus on one aspect at the expense of another. Imagine if you pay off that mortgage only to find out some bum has been living on it for a year and now it's a total mess in legal terms.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Well, no need to focus on one aspect at the expense of another. Imagine if you pay off that mortgage only to find out some bum has been living on it for a year and now it's a total mess in legal terms.

I don't let it get that far in the first place. I live in the middle of suburbia and I have dogs who's bark will scare just about any random stranger away.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

I don't let it get that far in the first place. I live in the middle of suburbia and I have dogs who's bark will scare just about any random stranger away.

Not everyone is so lucky though, they have some distant relative that gives them land or property. If the inheritor was some greedy landlord they're probably in the clear. But if they're joe the mechanic down the road he could get fucked over in a year.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Not everyone is so lucky though, they have some distant relative that gives them land or property. If the inheritor was some greedy landlord they're probably in the clear. But if they're joe the mechanic down the road he could get fucked over in a year.

All I can tell you is what my experience things have been and what my experience is that when it comes to property Squatters are low on the list of who can and will mess you over Unless you live in some big mega-city in which case my question is...what the heck are you doing in a mega city. BUT again that's me.