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Wakanda is interesting for a few reasons with regards to its politics.

1. firstly it’s a monarchy, and even has the masculine tradition of duels for the throne. Criticizing black masculinity doesn’t seem to be apart of modern intersectionalism. Or if it is, its a very rare target.
2. It’s very much a stratified society. There’s a monarchy and a collection of what amounts to nobles and tribes which have traditional leadership.
3. Thirdly-and this is the odd thing. Wakanda is uber advanced yet it didn’t do anything for the world, much less Africa and the African diaspora. We are led to believe it is so isolationist it didn’t intervene against the slave trade-either from Europeans or Arabs. It didn’t intervene to stop European imperialism, it didn’t intervene in more recent times to stop the Chinese(given the movie takes place in the modern day). It didn’t conquer the world despite possessing the resources to do so.
4. Killmonger while a bit of an Afrocentrist with a strong animosity towards the oppression of his people-this in the movie is Europeans, and Americans. But it doesn’t explicitly say so. But leads the viewer to assume his animus is towards the European or white population. He does have a point in that Wakanda could very easily rule the world. Or at least protect Africans worldwide. I forgot what his plan was but yeah.
5. Anyway Black Panther at the end of the movie goes to a black neighborhood in the USA-with the kids admiring his super tech ship. Which...? What is he trying to do? Like it’s supposed to give the viewer warm fuzzy feelings that the poverty, social ills, and suffering is going to be solved but the movie fails to explain how his more open policy intends to achieve this.

Wakanda is supposedly enlightened yet doesn’t intervene either for the world or Africa? And his plan is to show off tech?

Is the tech at the end of the movie made available for the whole world? Or what?

I find the premise absurd. Not as much for the politics, but due the fact that if Wakanda had the tech it did for as long the movie said it did, somehow in contrivance to all of human history and nature it wouldn’t take over the world.

Also it didn’t look honestly like the common people of Wakanda lived some sort of utopian lifestyle.
 

ParadiseLost

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Wakanda is a relic from a comics universe that is very, very different from the MCU, and I honestly they should've created an alternative backstory for Black Panther.

Wakanda doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
 

Navarro

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They likely honestly believe the propaganda painting Black Lives Matter as the good guys; and are merely useful idiots, rather than die-hard adherents to regressive left ideology. It hurts to see so many people falling for it, but most people can be shockingly ignorant about the world around them; they also tend to believe whatever they hear first is the unvarnished truth, reacting violently to anyone trying to convince them otherwise.

I mean, they literally made an RPG setting where anarchism is the perfect ideology and they get to be a major player and a threat to much more organised and capable powers, played off against EEEEVIL corporations and EEEVIL caricatures of the GOP/Catholic church. What do you expect?
 

CarlManvers2019

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I mean, they literally made an RPG setting where anarchism is the perfect ideology and they get to be a major player and a threat to much more organised and capable powers, played off against EEEEVIL corporations and EEEVIL caricatures of the GOP/Catholic church. What do you expect?

I’ve noticed with fanfics with feudalism or something communist-lite

Having a command economy with welfare has ZERO side effects
 

Navarro

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And there's nothing wrong with this, in the context of the time. I mean, it was just a cool game with an unrealistically competent protagonist, just like many others. On the other hand, if Lara Croft was a new thing, first being released now, the writers would screw up the game by adding a ton of heavy handed bullshit about how great it is that a female character is doing this, and how woke it is, etc, with wokeness baked into the games core.

See Perfect Dark for another example.
 

Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
People who say "regressive left" are just 19th-century liberals who can't accept that liberalism 2.0 has left them behind. The only thing they can say to the left is "too fast! too fast!" since they agree with every one of the left's basic assumptions, and only differ on timing and extent.

Sorry guys, hormone blockers for toddlers were in your Constitution the whole time, the hermeneutics just took a little working out.
 

AnimalNoodles

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I did read it. That the French deconstructionists were backed by the CIA. As a way of displacing Orthodox Marxism. Which the CIA understands is the real threat to the capitalist order.

Which kind of makes sense? If you buy the idea that right theory is important for revolutionary praxis. Orthodox Marxism isn't interested in identity, the identarian left has no fundamental reason to oppose the CIA or capitalist imperialism and misaddresses the causes and solutions.

I mean...like I guess? If the risk of revolution in the west was a real thing. I could see why the CIA would want to divert leftist academia away from traditional Marxism. It requires you believe Marxism will actually work and the possibility of a Soviet uprising in the west was/is possible.

It was Foucault that created the concept of corporate wokeness. The left would give up on orthodox class politics and redistribution and in return the corporations would promote homosexuality.
 
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It was Foucault that created the concept of corporate wokeness. The left would give up on orthodox class politics and redistribution and in return the corporations would promote homosexuality.
Yeah deconstructionism and grievance identity groups are a lot safer for corporations and the capitalist order than orthodox Marxism. So...I can sort of see the reasoning.

But yeah I read the article Lindsay is referring to.
 

CarlManvers2019

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People who say "regressive left" are just 19th-century liberals who can't accept that liberalism 2.0 has left them behind. The only thing they can say to the left is "too fast! too fast!" since they agree with every one of the left's basic assumptions, and only differ on timing and extent.

Sorry guys, hormone blockers for toddlers were in your Constitution the whole time, the hermeneutics just took a little working out.



So, Desmond’s the future?
 
People who say "regressive left" are just 19th-century liberals who can't accept that liberalism 2.0 has left them behind. The only thing they can say to the left is "too fast! too fast!" since they agree with every one of the left's basic assumptions, and only differ on timing and extent.

Sorry guys, hormone blockers for toddlers were in your Constitution the whole time, the hermeneutics just took a little working out.


I've always referred to them as regressive, because their desired policies and present attitudes are regressive to society. It's like what I said In another thread, take the left's view on cultural appropriation. Replace said so called "Appropriated culture." with white culture or white man and suddenly you have a racial purity ideology that sounds like something straight from Hitler's manifesto.

Not to mention I'd argue that gender, racial and even orientation relations have gotten worse sense they gained a foothold on the culture.
 
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Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
Chuck Wendig and other serial feminist abusers being called out by the ladies they work with.


Its quite the epic article. Many many tweets.

Hearing Chuck Wendig called a "former Star Wars author" always brings a warm feeling to my heart.
 

Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
What has Chuck Wendig wrote that gained him such infamy?

The Aftermath Trilogy are some of the most childishly amateurish shit ever to deface the Star Wars IP. It's like Reddit collaborated to write a sci-fi trilogy. And he was fired for being too aggressively and abrasively shitlib on Twitter. He's an asshole and a cretin who's never had a moment of self-reflection in his life.
 
The Aftermath Trilogy are some of the most childishly amateurish shit ever to deface the Star Wars IP. It's like Reddit collaborated to write a sci-fi trilogy. And he was fired for being too aggressively and abrasively shitlib on Twitter. He's an asshole and a cretin who's never had a moment of self-reflection in his life.


what was written? I mean, even the EU had a lot of "What were they smoking?" plots and aspects
 

Certified_Heterosexual

The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
what was written? I mean, even the EU had a lot of "What were they smoking?" plots and aspects

As usual, the most damning criticism of Wendig is simply to repost his own shit writing without further commentary, so here you go:

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