"Woke" Franchises

[Lord Sovereign]

Look, it's pathological for them, okay?

If it's got red hair, it must be replaced with a black.

I don't know why they do this every single time, but they do.

I used to think it was just a coincidence, but it’s simply happened too often by now. For a bunch of communists, they really don’t seem to like the colour red…

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Look, it's pathological for them, okay?

If it's got red hair, it must be replaced with a black.

I don't know why they do this every single time, but they do.

it's honestly funny. At one time, Irish and Scottish Americans were considered non-white and subhuman due to their Celtic blood and their catholic upbringings. Now they are the examples everyone thinks of when they think of white conservatism even more so than WASPs.

 

[Jormungandr]

it's honestly funny. At one time, Irish and Scottish Americans were considered non-white and subhuman due to their Celtic blood and their catholic upbringings. Now they are the examples everyone thinks of when they think of white conservatism even more so than WASPs.

I knew that Irish-Americans were discriminated against, even "indentured", but not even treated as being White because of Celtic roots? That's as fucking stupid as Afrocentrism or Flat Earthing. facepalm

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I knew that Irish-Americans were discriminated against, even "indentured", but not even treated as being White because of Celtic roots? That's as fucking stupid than Afrocentrism or Flat Earthing. facepalm

The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

Read for yourself.Long before "Dem Mexicans are taking our jerbs" there was "Dem Irish folk are taking our jerbs."

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

Read for yourself.Long before "Dem Mexicans are taking our jerbs" there was "Dem Irish folk are taking our jerbs."

Nice to know using immigration to artificially lower wages is a long standing tradition. xD

 

[Jormungandr]

The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

Read for yourself.Long before "Dem Mexicans are taking our jerbs" there was "Dem Irish folk are taking our jerbs."

Oh, that I did know, but not even seeing them as being White despite, you know, being from the British Isles is something I didn't. I know such classifications change over time (IIRC there was a hullabaloo about whether Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian people were considered "White" at one point; same deal with Jewish people since that's a whole different, more complicated issue in itself due to Jewish history/migrations), but this one of those "are you all fucking retarded?" moments. facepalm

Edit: Then again, it was probably sourced from economic and cultural discrimination (Irish-Americans and migrants taking jobs) than an actual belief that they weren't White e.g. seeing them as though they were Black and Asian.

Easy to label them as outsiders and as a target that way. smh

 

[ATP]

It's because the original redheads were worshipped as Gods, so they're the highest possible target for denigration.

Good,plausible explanation,but

Look, it's pathological for them, okay?

If it's got red hair, it must be replaced with a black.

I don't know why they do this every single time, but they do.

i have even better theory - redheads are supposed to be Neanderthal descendents,some hidden cabal is hunting them for unknown reasons,or...
it is Neandenhral hidden cabal to hidden fact that they rule over us!

See? two theories !

 

[DarthOne]

The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

Read for yourself.Long before "Dem Mexicans are taking our jerbs" there was "Dem Irish folk are taking our jerbs."

The it was Dem Germans are taking our jerbs in the lead up to WW1.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Oh, that I did know, but not even seeing them as being White despite, you know, being from the British Isles is something I didn't. I know such classifications change over time (IIRC there was a hullabaloo about whether Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian people were considered "White" at one point; same deal with Jewish people since that's a whole different, more complicated issue in itself due to Jewish history/migrations), but this one of those "are you all fucking retarded?" moments. facepalm

Edit: Then again, it was probably sourced from economic and cultural discrimination (Irish-Americans and migrants taking jobs) than an actual belief that they weren't White e.g. seeing them as though they were Black and Asian.

Easy to label them as outsiders and as a target that way. smh

I mean we think it's absurd now but back then it was "SERIOUS BUSINESStm" it's *sigh* I know I'm going get flak for this...I do legit think that TO AN EXTENT (NOT COMPLETLY) race is a social construct. (I feel dirty using that phrase believe me.) It used to be that the term white used to refer to a particular group of people in England. The thing is that as more "Othered" groups form and others consolidate and intergrate (Both culturally and biologically) Definitions, especially political ones change I mean look at whiteness. anybody that has remotely light skin is considered white including Russians and Japanese. definitions.

Nice to know using immigration to artificially lower wages is a long standing tradition. xD

history repeats itself. It's actually one of my major sparks of hope. I'm hoping that what we are witnessing today is another case of this and people will be able to look back on the confusion of this time period the way we do the 19th century.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

I mean we think it's absurd now but back then it was "SERIOUS BUSINESStm

I don't think it's absurd, just different. At that time being "White" was desirable and thus every reason to make it exclusive. The Irish, like Eastern Europeans at around that time, were perceived to have many negative traits alien to Anglo-Saxon and Protestant culture of America. In effect "White" then was in reference to a distinct sub-group, or the perception thereof, within Caucasians which we in the current age simply do not.

In contrast today, thanks to multiculturalism, being "White" is nondesirable and thus every reason to make it inclusive to lump as many people as possible as "privileged".

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I don't think it's absurd, just different. At that time being "White" was desirable and thus every reason to make it exclusive. The Irish, like Eastern Europeans at around that time, were perceived to have many negative traits alien to Anglo-Saxon and Protestant culture of America. In effect "White" then was in reference to a distinct sub-group, or the perception thereof, within Caucasians which we in the current age simply do not.

In contrast today, thanks to multiculturalism, being "White" is nondesirable and thus every reason to make it inclusive to lump as many people as possible as "privileged".

for better or worse everyone seems to want to think they are special snowflakes because making yourself stand out by your deeds is especially when you have to compete with 1.2 other billion people. as I said history repeats itself. I wonder what the next big Shiek thing is going to be when multiculturalism is no longer in vouge.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Is Nocturne bad?

 

[Allanon]

Wait the remake Robyn Hood replaced an anthropomorphic Red Fox with a Black girl?

I thought they just made Robin Hood a Black girl.

Oh that's even more mental then I thought! Ha!

No no no, they will make Robin Hood a wimp and Maid Marian an unstoppable warrior.

 

[Typhonis]

No no no, they will make Robin Hood a wimp and Maid Marian an unstoppable warrior.

Too late for that.


Maid Marian and Her Merry Men - Wikipedia

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I don't even like Warhammer 40K or it's fandom and I find this pathetic.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I don't even like Warhammer 40K or it's fandom and I find this pathetic.

I'm confussed.

What's going on here?
Who is 'we', and 'them'?
Make 'who' chose?
Who are the 'fuckers'?
Who are 'you lot'?

 

[Blasterbot]

We = Woke mob
Them = Games Workshop
Who = Normie Gamers
You Fuckers = Evil Right Wing Racist Homophobes
You Lot = see You Fuckers.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

I don't even like Warhammer 40K or it's fandom and I find this pathetic.

Oh its pathetic, even in a weird way pitiable to have so much bile, but this is kind of the audience GW and other fandoms deliberately courted to be "inclusive". I can't help but feel they deserve everything that comes from it including the crybaby bastards salting the Earth the second they don't get their way.

 

[DarthOne]

I don't even like Warhammer 40K or it's fandom and I find this pathetic.

A wonderful reply I found to the another post by the same person.

No, Viv. It's not important. At all.

Did you never question why GI Joe, or Transformers, didn't put more effort into appealing to girls? Why Barbie didn't put more effort into appealing to boys?

Because, broadly speaking, boys and girls, men and women, are D•I•F•F•E•R•E•N•T. And again, I'm speaking broadly. Exceptions always exist, but those exceptions only serve to further prove the rule.

Some years back, Lego wanted to understand what differences, if any, there were between the way boys play and the way girls play, so they commissioned a study to answer that question. What they discovered was that, yes, there was a vast gulf between the two. When boys play, they like to imagine themselves as the character. A little boy playing with a Batman toy IS Batman. A little boy playing with a Michelangelo TMNT toy IS Michelangelo. In essence, the boys cared about the characters and wanted to live in that fantastical world.

With little girls, though, their play style was different. They didn't become the characters. The characters became them. They didn't want to live in a fantasy world. They just wanted to live in a more extravagant version of their own world. That's why, say, Barbie is essentially a cypher. Barbie is an avatar for the little girl. Barbie doesn't need her own personality, because her personality is that of the little girl playing her. Barbie doesn't need to go on wacky adventures fighting monsters or aliens, because what little girls want is to live a more exciting version of their own life through Barbie.

Boys and girls, by and large, are attracted to different things and want to get different things out of their play. And those things rarely if ever intersect. Again, there are exceptions. But if a girl likes a boys property, she likes it for the same reasons the boys like it. And if it gets changed to appeal to girls, then she will dislike it for the same reason she already dislikes playing with other girls toys.

The same holds true by and large for men and women. Which is why, when you change something to make it "appeal to women", the end result is shedding a whole lot of the male audience while capturing very few new fans. Because, no matter how much you change it, it'll never be fully something which will appeal to women, but it will be different enough that it no longer appeals to men. You can't transform Star Wars into Barbie (and you DEFINITELY can't turn Warhammer into Barbie!), and nobody has ever successfully replaced an existing audience with a new audience.

So no, Viv, it's not *incredibly* important that our "toys appeal to women and girls." It's incredibly important that they NOT be intentionally changed to chase a phantom audience, because that's how franchises and IP's die. It's what happened to Star Wars, Marvel, DC, The Witcher, Rings of Power, Doctor Who, Terminator, and on and on, and Warhammer 40,000 will suffer that same catastrophic failure if it tries going down that same path.

Not to mention, 40K isn't a Star Wars or an MCU. It's not big enough to absorb the impact of a bomb like the upcoming The Marvels and slowly die over the course of several years. To the contrary. It's particularly vulnerable as it's a hobby heavily dependent on a large and active community of participants. Which means it'll hit critical mass a lot faster and collapse a lot more quickly than other, larger franchises which aren't built around needing a community to function.

You shed all the people who like the setting and the lore, you lose all the people who depended on that existing network of players. You lose all the people who were depending on their local communities to be part of the hobby, you lose 40K altogether.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Why are the wokesters upset? They can have Slaneesh, problem solved.