"Woke" Franchises

[CarlManvers2019]

@Lord Invictus
I am pretty sure it varies from person to person, they may really believe that the “wider audience” will come to watch their movies

That they will get money anyway, enough to be more than production costs

The producers, not the executives, may really just want to stroke their egos and aren’t really so surprised about the loss of money or success, they just want to get attention for it

@PsihoKekec
I am pretty sure not all of Hollywood was born into it, they include guys who were recruited for what talent they showed, I mean RDJ used to be poorer, I think

Though, once they enter the bubble, they have to conform

This maybe true for other circles of creators in the entertainment industries, the bubble was already established, don’t touch it

Also, people like to confuse themselves as being on the same level as say, the guy who originally made Les Miserables

 

[Deleted member 88]

Maybe I’m more conspiratorially minded, but I suspect something else is going on.

Some sort of social engineering program. Or manipulation of mass psychology. It isn’t just megalomaniacal executives and true believing writing teams.

 

[PsihoKekec]

I am pretty sure not all of Hollywood was born into it, they include guys who were recruited for what talent they showed

You are thinking about actors who are a disposable product and are told what to say, think and feel. The real power is the movie companies execs who mostly come through multiple generations of Hollywood alternate reality bubble.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You are thinking about actors who are a disposable product and are told what to say, think and feel. The real power is the movie companies execs who mostly come through multiple generations of Hollywood alternate reality bubble.

The USSR's infiltration attempts worked really fucking well, didn't they

What will it take for these execs to realise what's the real cause behind the loss of their money?

 

[PsihoKekec]

The USSR's infiltration attempts worked really fucking well, didn't they

They are much overrated actually, USSR infiltration card is being played because there are still plenty of boomers falling for it. The truth is much more pedestrian though, entertainment caste was always inclined towards degeneracy and change for the sake of change, this is why through history it was always kept down by laws and social norms. But when it became unbound in the USA it naturally turned towards destruction of Western society, the Soviet assistance in this endaveour being negible, which of course didn't stop KGB big wigs to claim credit when legitimating their budget.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

They are much overrated actually, USSR infiltration card is being played because there are still plenty of boomers falling for it. The truth is much more pedestrian though, entertainment caste was always inclined towards degeneracy and change for the sake of change, this is why through history it was always kept down by laws and social norms. But when it became unbound in the USA it naturally turned towards destruction of Western society, the Soviet assistance in this endaveour being negible, which of course didn't stop KGB big wigs to claim credit when legitimating their budget.

Change for the sake of change?

I guess that explains why they’re making Ms Fanservice into Ms Androgynous-Masculine Butch Lesbian Male-Hormones Disservice

Or something

Japan knows that tits and ass sell, they’re noy so ashamed of it

The West on the other hand used to do tits and ass, maybe because it pissed off religious conservatives, then they decided to go against this mainstream

Change for the sake of change is stupidity

Wanna break from the mold? Do it well or something

 

[Deleted member 88]

Everyone just think for a second.

Why do they promote these films which often do poorly at the box office? Films that either present extremely bad female protagonists or otherwise shit all on established franchises.

Big CEOs I don’t think actually are making the call here.

I strongly suspect that there is something else going on.

Why do they seem to relish provoking fights online?

It’s social engineering and mass manipulation. To what end I don’t know. But I think some other aim is at work here.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Everyone just think for a second.

Why do they promote these films which often do poorly at the box office? Films that either present extremely bad female protagonists or otherwise shit all on established franchises.

Big CEOs I don’t think actually are making the call here.

I strongly suspect that there is something else going on.

Why do they seem to relish provoking fights online?

It’s social engineering and mass manipulation. To what end I don’t know. But I think some other aim is at work here.

I think Big CEOs are also really out of touch as well

It’s not exactly a massive conspiracy but the results of accumulated decades worth of insanity

If there is social engineering, they hope, even when these films logically fail, to still make people who are really fucking WOKE as hell to keep on doing it and influence the later generations to become even more slaves of WOKEness

That said, they are actually pretty bad at even understanding what “minorities” like, I am pretty sure by now they know the Chinese dislike “ugly” women

 

[Terthna]

Everyone just think for a second.

Why do they promote these films which often do poorly at the box office? Films that either present extremely bad female protagonists or otherwise shit all on established franchises.

Big CEOs I don’t think actually are making the call here.

I strongly suspect that there is something else going on.

Why do they seem to relish provoking fights online?

It’s social engineering and mass manipulation. To what end I don’t know. But I think some other aim is at work here.

Same reason they made Eragon:


Because they think they've caught onto a popular trend, and they're trying to milk everything they can out of it; despite their complete lack of understanding of it. It's just that this time, said trend is political in nature. Most of those in the business of making money, especially in the entertainment industry, really have no idea what they're doing; and many of them are primarily focused on convincing their peers that they're competent at their job, not actually doing said job.

You see, these people don't have any sort of grand plan to manipulate you (most of them anyways; I'm sure there are some among the people they hire to tell them what will make money, who have delusions of grandeur of that nature); they're just morons put in a position of power well above their abilities.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You see, these people don't have any sort of grand plan to manipulate you (most of them anyways; I'm sure there are some among the people they hire to tell them what will make money, who have delusions of grandeur of that nature); they're just morons put in a position of power well above their abilities.

Yup, those are the executives or those in-charge, they're really living in a bubble and it's questionable how well they even interact with the customers or can even understand them on a basic level

 

[Terthna]

Yup, those are the executives or those in-charge, they're really living in a bubble and it's questionable how well they even interact with the customers or can even understand them on a basic level

To be fair, there are plenty of actors, writers, directors, and others at the creative level in Hollywood who have certain ideologies they wish to see pushed in their work, but the people making the business decisions at the top usually are not involved with such things; or indeed, much of anything beyond making themselves look so very successful.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

To be fair, there are plenty of actors, writers, directors, and others at the creative level in Hollywood who have certain ideologies they wish to see pushed in their work, but the people making the business decisions at the top usually are not involved with such things; or indeed, much of anything beyond making themselves look so very successful.

And seeing that even the top businesses are doing it, results in people of lower businesses that would be more impacted, following through with similar policies, doesn’t help if they too are into said certain ideologies

I think Navarro quoted Sun Tzu about how you at least must “Know yourself” if you don’t know your enemy

Thing is, bias is something people don’t realise they got and if they see evidence and arguments against it, depending on how strong the bias is, they just can’t break through

That said, I think the guys on top, if they are aware it’s not working, are afraid of paper tigers

 

[Abhorsen]

Everyone just think for a second.

Why do they promote these films which often do poorly at the box office? Films that either present extremely bad female protagonists or otherwise shit all on established franchises.

Big CEOs I don’t think actually are making the call here.

I strongly suspect that there is something else going on.

Why do they seem to relish provoking fights online?

It’s social engineering and mass manipulation. To what end I don’t know. But I think some other aim is at work here.

So there are a few things causing Hollywood falling in love with wokeness. Hollywood is always a couple of years behind the times because getting a story written and created takes a long time. Conversely, TV shows are more up to date because they don't have this inertia that movies do.

In 2016, intersectionality was all the rage, and people seemed to like it. Black Panther was a huge surprise hit as well in 2018. So movie directors thought wokeness would be popular. Turns out it isn't, but the movies are still being produced because they were already in process and everyone hired.

Hollywood is also to the left of mainstream, and always needs to virtue signal. This makes them prime materiel for wokeness. Worse, an actor's celebrity is their brand, so they are particurally sensitive to being cancelled. Twitter actually has economic value to most of Hollywood, so they care what it says because it affects their pocketbooks.

 

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

Today in wannabee deep news:

Daniel Craig: ‘We struggled to keep Trump and Brexit out of No Time To Die’

For this month’s cover story, Daniel Craig spoke frankly about how despite the essential escapism of No Time To Die and the Bond franchise more broadly, real-world factors always make themselves known in the films’ subtext.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

If it seems like the Trump presidency seeps into everything that is good and pure in the world and poisons it. That’s because it does. Well, you can now add James Bond to the list of things that the world’s most depressingly omnipresent news story has infected, as Daniel Craig related to Sam Knight for this month’s cover story.

A new approach, this one: proclaiming that the inclusion of political references was something forced upon writers of franchises by the real-life situation. "We tried Oh so hard to leave these aspects out, it was a mighty struggle, we swear!"

 

[DarthOne]

Today in wannabee deep news:

Daniel Craig: ‘We struggled to keep Trump and Brexit out of No Time To Die’

For this month’s cover story, Daniel Craig spoke frankly about how despite the essential escapism of No Time To Die and the Bond franchise more broadly, real-world factors always make themselves known in the films’ subtext.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk

A new approach, this one: proclaiming that the inclusion of political references was something forced upon writers of franchises by the real-life situation. "We tried Oh so hard to leave these aspects out, it was a mighty struggle, we swear!"

...We need an eyeroll fur-ball reaction thing.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Twitter actually has economic value to most of Hollywood, so they care what it says because it affects their pocketbooks.

Who do they listen to most on Twitter? Because I think as I pointed out to Zachowon, including forums, fanfic writers, fanartists and subreddits, there maybe a big split in fandoms

Also, cosplayers may not necessarily be fans

Fans of the Cinematic Universe may not even like comics and so on

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Abhorsen @Cherico
Since you guys look to see things very similarly in that people in charge are really really really falling into the whole mistaking things as being highly popular only to regret it much later on

Just how will Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry deal with these.....employees who were more or less given free reign and unlike them probably have pretty much no intention or care about making money to begin with

 

[Cherico]

@Abhorsen @Cherico
Since you guys look to see things very similarly in that people in charge are really really really falling into the whole mistaking things as being highly popular only to regret it much later on

Just how will Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry deal with these.....employees who were more or less given free reign and unlike them probably have pretty much no intention or care about making money to begin with

The thing you have to remember Carl is this, california is insolvant.

We cant possibly afford to pay the pensions we promised all of our state employees because we are broke now. Our choices of dealing with this upcoming crisis is get a federal bailout, declare bankruptcy, or collapse. And in order to do the first two we need a friendly federal government.

Thats why you have an absolutely insane level of online censorship, why hollywood has seeminlgy not done anything about Metoo# their royally pissed about that by the way. Its because a crisis is coming up and the entire farm is being bet on the 2020 election.

If that fails well there will be no bail out, so best case senerio is gone, second best is bankrupcy which still screws the government. In that environment California will be very angry and will need scape goats and the woke crowd is a very load target that has made a whole lot of enemies. Their perfect.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Cherico
What about the entertainment industries or companies NOT based in California?

Though correct me if I’m wrong, Marvel Comics’ in New York(very Left) and Rooster Teeth is in Texas(infected with blue though)

So not sure how long till those guys make a change or get the worst sort of broke

 

[Cherico]

@Cherico
What about the entertainment industries or companies NOT based in California?

Though correct me if I’m wrong, Marvel Comics’ in New York(very Left) and Rooster Teeth is in Texas(infected with blue though)

So not sure how long till those guys make a change or get the worst sort of broke

Rooster teeth is dealing with the tech industry which is based in Cali. On a business level their trying real hard not be demonetized on a personal level losing their main creature fucked them hard and their rudderless with out him.

As for New York their no where near as retarded as we are so I cant talk about their motives.