China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

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Vaermina

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The vaccine is probably safe and effective to an extent. They wouldn't be putting it out to front line healthcare staff if they thought it was dangerous. Also, we've already got a vaccine for the original Sars Virus so it isn't like they started from scratch. To top it off, ludicrous amounts of money, personnel and research have been thrown at it so a rapid outcome isn't an impossibility.

And whilst the WHO and other experts rave about it "going on for years", governments (mine at least) are beelining for the vulnerable because they know once they are jabbed that is the end of this sorry affair. No risk of hospitals being overwhelmed and plummeting death rates mean they can safely deescalate whilst saving face, which is what it has been all about.
 
Archmagnus

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Vaermina said:
If by "false on technicalities" you mean they pointed out the tens of thousands person trial with no major side effects...

Then yes...
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I mean they said "head of pfizer research", while he was a former-head of respiratory research, and "the vaccine is a female-sterilization", while the claim the doctors made was that it may cause infertility (along a host of other issues), so the vaccine should not be brought to widespread use yet and tested more for long term effects. They also brought their reasoning and proof to back it up in their petition.

So yeah, as usual Snopes deboonked something they made up based on what the real claim was.

The tens of thousands person trial would also not show any long term effects, which is why it's best to wait and see, and observe those volunteer's health carefully for the moment. Vaccines often have side effects, especially rushed ones like this, and I'd like very much to know what they may be before they are pushed onto the market.
 
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ATP

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P.S it was german doctor Wolfgang Wodark who claimed that new vaccines probably would made woman sterile.
 
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Then, to be a little blunt, natural immunity after infection should do the same thing. The S-protein that is being produced by the mRNA vaccines is the same S-protein in the SARS-CoV-2 virus. If this effect was a thing, that should show up in COVID survivors. It doesn't.
 
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ShadowArxxy

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Archmagnus said:
2020news.de

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition - 2020 NEWS

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate...
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The full petition from these doctors explaining their issues with the vaccine for your reading pleasure


You have the research they are presenting as well as a full list of references there.
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There is pretty much zero actual evidence in that petition, just speculation of theoretical harm which they claim hasn’t been sufficiently specifically ruled out yet.
 
Archmagnus

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ShadowArxxy said:
There is pretty much zero actual evidence in that petition, just speculation of theoretical harm which they claim hasn’t been sufficiently specifically ruled out yet.
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Past research into such thing like the petition does cites indicates there's a significant risk. It's impossible to present evidence of long term effects when the product is so recent and no studies on long term effects have been made.
 
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ATP

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Archmagnus said:
Past research into such thing like the petition does cites indicates there's a significant risk. It's impossible to present evidence of long term effects when the product is so recent and no studies on long term effects have been made.
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Exactly.Wait and see - Wuhan is little worst then normal flu.There is no need to risk future generations.If we face something like Ebola or at least spanish flu that i would undarstandt "vaccine now" approach,but against something like this it made no sense.
 
LordsFire

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ATP said:
Exactly.Wait and see - Wuhan is little worst then normal flu.There is no need to risk future generations.If we face something like Ebola or at least spanish flu that i would undarstandt "vaccine now" approach,but against something like this it made no sense.
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If only the elderly, IE the high-risk groups, are vaccinated, the theorized infertility effects will be completely moot anyways.

But then, why would we expect a reasonable reaction like only vaccinating the high-risk groups?
 
Typhonis

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What's to keep some group from using what they call Wuhan Style Virus to impose more lockdowns and such at a future date?
 
Free-Stater 101

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Bad news on my end, my workplace has just informed me that I was in contact with someone who had the virus. I am currently awaiting testing...
 
Archmagnus

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Fallout-Man101 said:
Bad news on my end, my workplace has just informed me that I was in contact with someone who had the virus. I am currently awaiting testing...
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Unless you have some serious preexisting conditions you have like 99.9% chance of survival. You may not even notice the symptoms if you are lucky.
 
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Cherico said:
ok man even if you catch it you have an over 90% chance of survival and these days we know which drugs will help you if things get sticky the odds are in your favor remember that.
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Archmagnus said:
Unless you have some serious preexisting conditions you have like 99.9% chance of survival. You may not even notice the symptoms if you are lucky.
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Thanks for the support! In ancy case you need not worry I have turned up negative!
 
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