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ATP

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"you go to war with the weaponry you have, not with the weaponry you would like to have"

EDIT: To expand on this: Israel today has a high-tech military with loads of hardware that they designed and built for themselves.
But that was not always the case.
They still used Sherman tanks.But,since they had better tanks,and arabs still used T.34.85,too - then it not mattered much.
Not mention,how "good" arab commanders were.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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I mean, yes but again, miscommunication can lead to friendly fire.
Just ask the brits in desert storm when they got attacked by an A10
US and UK were allies in the same war, friendly fire in that case.
America was not allied with Israel in the war, America wasn't even a part of the war...Officially at least.

Think about it like this, if Germany obliterated the Leningrad in WW2 before invading Poland, would Russia have just said "oops an accident!"?
 

Zachowon

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US and UK were allies in the same war, friendly fire in that case.
America was not allied with Israel in the war, America wasn't even a part of the war...Officially at least.

Think about it like this, if Germany obliterated the Leningrad in WW2 before invading Poland, would Russia have just said "oops an accident!"?
Except it wasn't obliterated and it was shot up.
Friendly fire mistakes happen...a lot more then people realize.
And yes they were a intel ship. They knew what they were doing being that close
 

Zachowon

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XD You can look it up man. Over 30 sailors died, over 100 wounded.
And then you have the USS Pueblo where an intel ship got captured by the North Koreans.
We didn't invade them to get them back
Intel ships are like Intel assets.
You don't go to war over them because they got to close.
 

ThatZenoGuy

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And then you have the USS Pueblo where an intel ship got captured by the North Koreans.
We didn't invade them to get them back
Intel ships are like Intel assets.
You don't go to war over them because they got to close.
Except we view North Korea as an evil nasty country that the world should rid itself of.
Mean while America views israel as a shining glory of a nation. Despite...Them bombing the US lmao.
 

Zachowon

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Except we view North Korea as an evil nasty country that the world should rid itself of.
Mean while America views israel as a shining glory of a nation. Despite...Them bombing the US lmao.
But yet we didn't restart the Korean war to get the Pueblo...
A ship that still sits in North Korea....

The point I am making is even a country that we would have reason to fucking invade we didn't when they got our intel ship.
And they did that in purpose.
Miscommunication in early widespread radio usage such as in the war woth the liberty can lead to what was said.
The keep attacking could have been meant for variety of reasons.

It seems people just want to jump ship on making Isreal out to be the evil nation running the world because Jews and that the US will not attack them even with the liberty instance.

My point is, intel ships are able to be written off. Attacks on thena re not war declarable, especially if it is by an ally. Did said ally attack us on purpose or was there a massive Miscommunication issue? It doesn't matter, because friendly fire happens.
The US killed brits with an A10 in Iraq.
Turkish embassy was shot up by soldiers s few years ago because he fell asleep woth finger on the trigger.
Shit happens.

Don't think every instance of something happening is some widespread false flag to get the US invovled in a war.
 

Marduk

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Becouse it would be enough to sink unarmed cyvilian ship?
As we saw, not one of this size, with just one hit.
"you go to war with the weaponry you have, not with the weaponry you would like to have"

EDIT: To expand on this: Israel today has a high-tech military with loads of hardware that they designed and built for themselves.
But that was not always the case.
Israel had proper anti ship weapons to use on the aircraft. Plain 500kg or 1000kg SAP or even GP bombs would do. But instead attacked it with friggin napalm and light rockets, shit that will not sink a decently sized ship, period.
But the aircraft were redirects from ground attack missions, you would think that for secret black op to rope USA into war against Egypt they would make sure to attack the ship properly and leave no witnesses.
W-Why would they use a hodgepodge of weapons on an identified US vessel!?
Identified by who?
They knew it was American though, and 'oops it was an accident' has caused greater wars than...No war.
Who's they? Air force realized mid attack, Navy realized after FACs closed in to finish off the ship after the torpedo attack.
 

Zachowon

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Yeah the US (and most of the world) turbo sanctioned them instead. The same sort of economic warfare that made Germany and Japan go apeshit in WW2. Jej.
Where's the universal outcry and economic warfare against israel?
The economic sanctions put in place due to the aggressions of the Japanese in China?
 

ATP

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As we saw, not one of this size, with just one hit.

Israel had proper anti ship weapons to use on the aircraft. Plain 500kg or 1000kg SAP or even GP bombs would do. But instead attacked it with friggin napalm and light rockets, shit that will not sink a decently sized ship, period.
But the aircraft were redirects from ground attack missions, you would think that for secret black op to rope USA into war against Egypt they would make sure to attack the ship properly and leave no witnesses.

Identified by who?

Who's they? Air force realized mid attack, Navy realized after FACs closed in to finish off the ship after the torpedo attack.
They had enough torpedoes to sunk old cyvilian ship,american sailors survived by miracle and jewish incopetency.
 

Marduk

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They had enough torpedoes to sunk old cyvilian ship,american sailors survived by miracle and jewish incopetency.
Shitty unguided WW2 torpedos being inaccurate AT 6KM RANGE is not a miracle, it is expected.
 

Marduk

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Against damaged cyvilian ship?
Yes. Unguided torpedoes... It's why WW2 submarines generally didn't fire above 2-3km, and often preferred to get much closer than that, even though the torpedoes had much more maximum range. Sure, a spread fired against a convoy at such range could make sense, but against a single ship, waste of torpedoes.
Point in case, talented U-Boot crew fired at an anchored battleship in port from shorter range. Out of 3 torpedoes, only 1 hit and poorly. Stern torpedo missed too, and only third salvo hit with all 3.

In this case, the torpedoes were fired from bouncing speedboats going at full ahead at a ship's stern, rather than the wide side profile, further reducing chances to hit.
 
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ThatZenoGuy

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Shitty unguided WW2 torpedos being inaccurate AT 6KM RANGE is not a miracle, it is expected.
Being inaccurate at 6km would've been the least of their problems, no WW2 model of 450mm torpedo from Italy even had 6km range. Damn.
 

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