Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Terthna said:

That's not what I'm talking about here; I'm talking about them using the conflict as carte blanche to further silence anyone who speaks out against the establishment and their actions, and treat them like traitors.

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So in other words, you are talking about things that didn't happen, probably won't happen, and yet are in no way prevented by fanboying for KGBstan if they were to happen.
So why are you fanboying for KGBstan again?

Terthna said:

Which is already happening; in fact, it's been happening since 2014, with the most blatant example being the four years they spent accusing Trump of being a Russian asset.

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Would not be the first case of a Russian asset accusing others of being a Russian asset.

Terthna said:

Neither is fighting to keep a government comprised of crooks, bigots, and murderers in power; but that's what everyone who supports western Ukraine is doing.

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Have you considered supporting the left wing of DNC? Because they have politicians sharing exactly that view.
You would think years of the establishment smearing everyone they don't like as Nazis would have made the anti-establishmentarians on the business end of those smears skeptical when other factions are being smeared as Nazis, but apparently not.

Terthna said:

No; the United States and Europe not understanding that the Russians would not tolerate further encroachment by NATO, and deciding to yet again indulge in regime change created it.

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There are many things Iran, ISIL and North Korea won't tolerate either. But that's no argument to not do them.
The same logic applies to Russia.

Encroachment.
That word is being used.
NATO doesn't offer itself to countries.
It has to be asked by the country if they can join.
Estonia. Latvia. Lithuania. These asked and were allowed in.
What makes Ukraine diffrent

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Sailor.X said:

Posted for informational purposes.

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Why is she talking about Russian Missiles instead of Chinese Tech, humm, why is a channel formerly dedicated to motorcycle trips now peddling anti-China news?

Obviously both are now peddling nationalistic war-porn for their respective blocks, because that shit sells like hot cakes.
However, I'd rather watch a pro-Russia AZN cutie than two western soyboys, at least getting info on her channel is nice, so that gives their video some worth.

And I already know the site is legitimately propaganda.
Use independent ones, not a state funded one.
rt is literally Russian state funded propaganda

Zachowon said:

And I already know the site is legitimately propaganda.
Use independent ones, not a state funded one.
rt is literally Russian state funded propaganda

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Wrong thread, dude.

In any case, thank you for stating the obvious. That is why I read RT, just like NPR and the BBC, they advance specific political interests. It's important to know what they choose to communicate.

It is also important because so many cowardly euros are censoring them. They would have no need to censor a milquetoast state media outlet if they weren't afraid of having their own lies exposed. They could just point and laugh at "misinformation"... but instead they try to hide their words from the masses.

Marduk said:

So in other words, you are talking about things that didn't happen, probably won't happen, and yet are in no way prevented by fanboying for KGBstan if they were to happen.
So why are you fanboying for KGBstan again?

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I don't know; why are you stroking your hateboner for them to the point of risking friction burns? I get that you're not American, so you have no inkling of what's been going on over here the past few years; or maybe you do know, and just don't care. Either way, I'm not "fanboying" for "KGBstan"; I'm voicing my concerns as to where all this blind (and quite frankly, delusional) animosity towards Russia is taking my country. Russia aren't the "good guys" here, but neither is western Ukraine; we had no business getting involved in 2014, and we certainly have no business getting involved now. Least of all when we have more than our own fair share of problems to deal with at home.

Marduk said:

Would not be the first case of a Russian asset accusing others of being a Russian asset.

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So, wait; the Democrats are Russian agents now? How does that make sense?

Marduk said:

Have you considered supporting the left wing of DNC? Because they have politicians sharing exactly that view.

40 House Democrats Signed A 2019 Letter Asking The State Department . . .

. . . To Designate Ukraine's Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion As A Terrorist Organization

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You would think years of the establishment smearing everyone they don't like as Nazis would have made the anti-establishmentarians on the business end of those smears skeptical when other factions are being smeared as Nazis, but apparently not.

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There's a difference between being skeptical, and outright rejecting reality because it's inconvenient to your preferred narrative; which is what you're doing by refusing to recognize the existence of the Azov Battalion, and what they're all about.

Marduk said:

There are many things Iran, ISIL and North Korea won't tolerate either. But that's no argument to not do them.
The same logic applies to Russia.

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And there we have it; an admission that this isn't about what the people of Ukraine want at all. It's about sticking it to Russia. Stop trying to drag us into your country's vendetta; I am not interested in fighting your war for you.

Whitestrake Pelinal said:

Wrong thread, dude.

In any case, thank you for stating the obvious. That is why I read RT, just like NPR and the BBC, they advance specific political interests. It's important to know what they choose to communicate.

It is also important because so many cowardly euros are censoring them. They would have no need to censor a milquetoast state media outlet if they weren't afraid of having their own lies exposed. They could just point and laugh at "misinformation"... but instead they try to hide their words from the masses.

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Or, get this, rt is just like that of any Chinese state owned media.
RT says what Russia tells it to say. If Russia lost but Russia told RT they won, they would b saying they won...

Zachowon said:

Or, get this, rt is just like that of any Chinese state owned media.

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Did you even read what he wrote? He knows it is propaganda.

Zachowon said:

Or, get this, rt is just like that of any Chinese state owned media.
RT says what Russia tells it to say. If Russia lost but Russia told RT they won, they would b saying they won...

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Just like western oligarch media, there's no difference.

Agent23 said:

Why is she talking about Russian Missiles instead of Chinese Tech, humm, why is a channel formerly dedicated to motorcycle trips now peddling anti-China news?

Obviously both are now peddling nationalistic war-porn for their respective blocks, because that shit sells like hot cakes.
However, I'd rather watch a pro-Russia AZN cutie than two western soyboys, at least getting info on her channel is nice, so that gives their video some worth.

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You know if you love Russia so much why don't you move to Russia. Oh yeah you won't because you want to be able to speak your mind unlike in Putinstan.

Butch R. Mann said:

Did you even read what he wrote? He knows it is propaganda.

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I know he knows.

Whitestrake Pelinal said:

Just like western oligarch media, there's no difference.

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Do you think I don't know this?
Why do you think I listen to independent media

Terthna said:

I don't know; why are you stroking your hateboner for them to the point of risking friction burns? I get that you're not American, so you have no inkling of what's been going on over here the past few years; or maybe you do know, and just don't care. Either way, I'm not "fanboying" for "KGBstan"; I'm voicing my concerns as to where all this blind (and quite frankly, delusional) animosity towards Russia is taking my country. Russia aren't the "good guys" here, but neither is western Ukraine; we had no business getting involved in 2014, and we certainly have no business getting involved now. Least of all when we have more than our own fair share of problems to deal with at home.

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In a country bordering Russia, so, a lot of news and politicians here, left, right and center, regarding Russia are by necessity mostly realistic instead of crafting whatever narrative fits some completely unrelated political movement. This is a big "told ya" moment for them.

Terthna said:

So, wait; the Democrats are Russian agents now? How does that make sense?

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See? Classic Russian intel move. You need to know this shit if you ever want to wrap your mind around their politicking.
Soviet intel was running open anti-Soviet resistance movements, for reasons.

Terthna said:

There's a difference between being skeptical, and outright rejecting reality because it's inconvenient to your preferred narrative; which is what you're doing by refusing to recognize the existence of the Azov Battalion, and what they're all about.

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Oh i very much recognize its existence. And i absolutely refuse to care about westerner's or Russian's attempts to regurgitate SPLC style arguments against them, just because they happen to have a policy on "hate symbols" no different than US military did before political correctness arrived there.
Or in other words, i refuse to help perform leftist's ostracism.

Terthna said:

And there we have it; an admission that this isn't about what the people of Ukraine want at all. It's about sticking it to Russia. Stop trying to drag us into your country's vendetta; I am not interested in fighting your war for you.

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What kind of thoughtless deflection is that? Ukrainians of all people currently are competing to be #1 on the list of nations that absolutely want to stick it to Russia.
It is you who want to tell them to surrender just to not make one of the big el presidentes of the world angry.

Sailor.X said:

You know if you love Russia so much why don't you move to Russia. Oh yeah you won't because you want to be able to speak your mind unlike in Putinstan.

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Yeah, like I could speak my mind about covid restrictions, obese feminazi lardballs, BLM, Brandon's "free and fair" elections, the EU's censorship and incompetence, the whole alphabet soup hysteria....
Oh, no, wait, those got me banned off of a few places.

Marduk said:

In a country bordering Russia, so, a lot of news and politicians here, left, right and center, regarding Russia are by necessity mostly realistic instead of crafting whatever narrative fits some completely unrelated political movement. This is a big "told ya" moment for them.


See? Classic Russian intel move. You need to know this shit if you ever want to wrap your mind around their politicking.

Operation Trust - Wikipedia

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Soviet intel was running open anti-Soviet resistance movements, for reasons.


Oh i very much recognize its existence. And i absolutely refuse to care about westerner's or Russian's attempts to regurgitate SPLC style arguments against them, just because they happen to have a policy on "hate symbols" no different than US military did before political correctness arrived there.
Or in other words, i refuse to help perform leftist's ostracism.

What kind of thoughtless deflection is that? Ukrainians of all people currently are competing to be #1 on the list of nations that absolutely want to stick it to Russia.
It is you who want to tell them to surrender just to not make one of the big el presidentes of the world angry.

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Even if the Russians do "win" the war, it'd be a Pyrrhic victory at best, a strategic defeat at worst.

This really has blown up in Putin's face -- Unless, you know, this was to weed out anti-Putin elements in the military or something (honestly, with how the last ten years have gone, I wouldn't be shocked if this were the case in this Clown Timeline).