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Floridaman said:
I don't listen to the Russian government i don't read sputnik, or RT I read news from countries like India because I want to know what the neutral parties are saying. As for Ukraine, no I don't blame it on that, it is a combination of that and other factors. Most notably the refusal of the EU, and US to build alternatives prior to sanctioning a geopolitical rival. For instance we have a global fertilizer shortage and the EU is worried about their climate goals, meaning they don't want to build alternatives to Russian fertilizer.
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EU split over fertiliser plants in poorer nations as food crisis bites

The European Union is divided on how to help poorer nations fight a growing food crisis and address shortages of fertilisers caused by the war in Ukraine, with some fearing a plan to invest in plants in Africa would clash with EU green goals.
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We don't have a fertilizer shortage, as most of our fertilizer comes from Canada or Domestic sources; it's Europe, Africa, and the ME who were dependent on Russian supplied fertilizers.

So it's more that some places wanted to keep sucking the Bear's teet, even as it fucked around in Ukraine for 8 years, and now they are all 'shocked Pikachu face' now that Russia has gone full retard and they are feeling the hurt for it.
 
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Bacle said:
We don't have a fertilizer shortage, as most of our fertilizer comes from Canada or Domestic sources; it's Europe, Africa, and the ME who were dependent on Russian supplied fertilizers.

So it's more that some places wanted to keep sucking the Bear's teet, even as it fucked around in Ukraine for 8 years, and now they are all 'shocked Pikachu face' now that Russia has gone full retard and they are feeling the hurt for it.
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We don't Africa does, and if they starve what do you think the people will do, this is a global system. Yes the US could in theory shut the borders and say to hell with the world, Europe can't, and it isnt like our politicians would since they seem to want to invite the entire world in to get wellfare, judging by the border.
 
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Floridaman said:
We don't Africa does, and if they starve what do you think the people will do, this is a global system. Yes the US could in theory shut the borders and say to hell with the world, Europe can't, and it isnt like our politicians would since they seem to want to invite the entire world in to get wellfare, judging by the border.
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And none of this would have been an issue to those nations had they stopped sucking the Bear's teet years ago.

Russia is not the victim here, and countries that allowed themselves to become dependent on Russia have no one but themselves to blame when they are now up shit creek.
 
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Bacle said:
And none of this would have been an issue to those nations had they stopped sucking the Bear's teet years ago.

Russia is not the victim here, and countries that allowed themselves to become dependent on Russia have no one but themselves to blame when they are now up shit creek.
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Except they are only up shit creek if they obey the wests decree, all you are doing is driving them to the Russians and the Chinese, because again they have the things that those countries want, and then the west is left with what? Principals don't an economy make.
That also forgets that this is a global economy shortages there, lead to higher prices here, and the people don't seem to have much wiggle room left.
 
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Floridaman said:
Except they are only up shit creek if they obey the wests decree, all you are doing is driving them to the Russians and the Chinese, because again they have the things that those countries want, and then the west is left with what? Principals don't an economy make.
That also forgets that this is a global economy shortages there, lead to higher prices here, and the people don't seem to have much wiggle room left.
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Russia has less to offer in the long term than the West does, and many of those nations know how badly the locals get treated by CCP based people.

There is no way to avoid the pain in the short term, but countries which ignore the sanctions on Russia (and do not have internal economies on the scale of India or the CCP) will feel the pain for longer and in more ways if they ignore the sanctions.

Because the US controls SWIFT, and as long as that is the case and the Russian's are cut out of it, there is a lot more for the countries to lose in the long run if they decide they do not need SWIFT or the West to survive.

Those nations could have switched over to non-Russian suppliers at any point since the Russians started fucking around in Ukraine. But they didn't, and now they are in a bad way because they thought they could suck the Bear's teet while also trying to get what they want from the West.
 
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Bacle said:
Russia has less to offer in the long term than the West does, and many of those nations know how badly the locals get treated by CCP based people.

There is no way to avoid the pain in the short term, but countries which ignore the sanctions on Russia (and do not have internal economies on the scale of India or the CCP) will feel the pain for longer and in more ways if they ignore the sanctions.

Because the US controls SWIFT, and as long as that is the case and the Russian's are cut out of it, there is a lot more for the countries to lose in the long run if they decide they do not need SWIFT or the West to survive.

Those nations could have switched over to non-Russian suppliers at any point since the Russians started fucking around in Ukraine. But they didn't, and now they are in a bad way because they thought they could suck the Bear's teet while also trying to get what they want from the West.
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The main exporters of fertalizer are.

Russia, mainland China, Canada, United States of America, Morocco and Belarus.

China has cut off all of their exports to save resources for themselves because they know shits about to get real. Russia went full retard and now the west is freaking out hard so that's gone, Belarus is inside russia orbits so thats gone.

So that just leaves America, Canada and Morocco.

Both Canada and america are food exporting countries so while food prices will go up both will survive and even make extra money.

If you live in morocco?

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Cherico said:
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The main exporters of fertalizer are.

Russia, mainland China, Canada, United States of America, Morocco and Belarus.

China has cut off all of their exports to save resources for themselves because they know shits about to get real. Russia went full retard and now the west is freaking out hard so that's gone, Belarus is inside russia orbits so thats gone.

So that just leaves America, Canada and Morocco.

Both Canada and america are food exporting countries so while food prices will go up both will survive and even make extra money.

If you live in morocco?

OIP.baJTqNf6e7uqb8zhD91HowHaG7
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Except that is dependant on our crop, and between food plants catching fire, the fact that fertilizer is now very expensive assuming farmers can get it at all, that is very bad news for the global food supply. Oh and on the fuel front since that is the other major one the US is now considering Banning export of gas, you know the gas we promised to Europe to get them to agree to sanction Russia
nypost.com

US refiners to urge Biden administration against fuel export ban

The meeting follows weeks of mudslinging between President Joe Biden and oil companies.
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Cherico said:
Both Canada and america are food exporting countries so while food prices will go up both will survive and even make extra money.
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Canada is now owned by china
1. massive chinese army is there for "training". Government has been hiding this fact from the people.
2. massive immigration. they buy up all the land and then kick out all non chinese from those areas, refusing to sell them homes. Creating pure chinese communities in Canada.

As for USA... USA is not going to be able to export food and fertilizer when the starvation hits. Once people start going hungry the civil war will start and a lot of people will die. Which aside from being horrible will also disrupt farming and shipping. So any country banking on USA food exports is going to be in trouble.
 
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Except China really isn't in the best shape either what happens when they start to collapse? Are we going to see a redraw of the political and geographical map not seen since the middle ages?
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the two countries that benifited the most from the american lead order were china and Russia. The two countries that tried their hardest to destroy it were russia and China, now their getting their wish in the worst way possible.
 
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Cherico said:
the two countries that benifited the most from the american lead order were china and Russia. The two countries that tried their hardest to destroy it were russia and China, now their getting their wish in the worst way possible.
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Well they wanted it and did their best to do it in.
 
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