United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread
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It means nothing, because the 'Constitutional Convention' idea won't get Dem backing, unless it's as an attempt to hijack it.
Shit's fucked, the system has shown it is very easy to engage in electoral fuckery routinely and get away it for Dems, and the Right is so full of internal propaganda that many on the Right lash out at anyone from the center or ex-Dems who break their preferred narrative.
Balkanization is the likely future of the US now, it's just a matter of which Red States end up being used as 'shelters' by GOP refugees when things start getting real bad.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
If they did, then they're idiots who have been thoroughly brainwashed by the establishment. There is no scenario where Trump is not the lesser evil; at least he's not literally trying to destroy them, and everything they care about. He's just a foolish man with a big ego, and not nearly enough sense when it comes to not allying himself with people who are planning to stab him in the back.
Vyor
My influence grows!
At 34 states, you don't need dem backing.
Unless the GOP controls a supermajority in those 34 state houses, they will need some Dems support if they want to push a Constitutional Convention through.
No, they were all picked by members of the Republican party. Don't blame the electorate that they put forward weak candidates.
The only state that seems to really have issues is Arizona. That should be looked into. The others are close races, so no one is calling them yet.
The GOP will probably take the House. From what I'm seeing, they're poised to snatch up probably a dozen more than they have now. The Senate...will probably stay blue. Wisconsin will probably still keep its Republican senator and Georgia MAY shift red, thus leading to a 50-50, with Harris as the tie-breaker, but I don't feel as though Arizona and Nevada will come through for the Republicans. In order to take the Senate, they'd need Georgia and one more state to fall in line, in addition to Wisconsin (it's close, but it looks as though it's red this time).
And actually, the Republicans lost two governorships, but they were generally blue states anyway.
I mean, it was a solid Republican win. The Democrats have gone from controlling Legislation and the Executive to just the Executive. Overall, the balance of power is equal after the loss of Republican power in 2020.
I think people on both sides should re-evaluate their situation. Both parties are not greatly loved in the US. Bush was an idiot who got us entangled in two foreign wears that no one liked. Obama did jack-shit for eight years while pretending he was Christ returned. Trump picked fight after fight after fight for 4 years. Biden is basically a drooling puppet without constant direction from his own administration.
No one here is popular.
We all suspected cheating in 2020. And there probably was some. One might argue the way mail-in-ballots were handled was deeply unfair because it was by judicial overreach. But this election (apart from possibly Arizona) shows us that neither party is all that hot. The other side is NOT cheating, the other side IS NOT being aided by the Russians/Chinese/Ukrainians/Whatever. There is no hidden wave of voters who are somehow oppressed and will show up to sweep away your enemies if only the other side would stop using their sorcery to stop you.
Imagine "standing on your principles" over the corpses of your broken children and grandchildren who were destroyed by social deconstructivists you still humanize and want to treat as brothers in christ despite the fact that they want you in concentration camps and your only salvation and have caused the death and debilitation of members of your family and your only salvation is a New York liberal.
And then you compound this state of utter absurdity by worrying about how these people who want you dead and your children raped and they think it's funny. Will react to you being a little more ardent in your desire for America not to turn into a Chinese colony.
I cannot understand current-year conservatives.
Give me the militant allegedly ultra-bigoted religious cons of the '70s and '80s and '90s. At least those fuckers had spines and were willing to wield their power to castigate society when it went batshit insane.
And then you compound this state of utter absurdity by worrying about how these people who want you dead and your children raped and they think it's funny. Will react to you being a little more ardent in your desire for America not to turn into a Chinese colony.
I cannot understand current-year conservatives.
Give me the militant allegedly ultra-bigoted religious cons of the '70s and '80s and '90s. At least those fuckers had spines and were willing to wield their power to castigate society when it went batshit insane.
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They did so well that their political power had dissolved by the 2000s and no one seems eager to bring it back.
What is your winning strategy again?
Schaefer is on a tear
Their power was undermined by infiltration and by filthy glow in the darks like H.W and by petty shitheels like Ford.
They lost because they surrendered their monopoly on culture.
I won't even address your other post because it's pure fence sitting cope.
There is no reconciliation or forgiveness. No meeting half way and no tolerance. Half of America must lose its purchase on culture and power. For at least 3 generations.
That half must be the American left.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
Agreed. I rather would have someone that agrees with me 70 percent of the time than run a zealot and lose.
Zealots were winning until they literally shutdown voting machines under a false flag and doctored votes 
"Please just be tolerant of people who want to rape children and destroy our entire culture and system! We can't look bad!".
"Please just be tolerant of people who want to rape children and destroy our entire culture and system! We can't look bad!".
See, I'd believe there is no cheating or fuckery afoot if the Dems hadn't done everything possible to keep races from being audited in 2020.
If the Dems were truly confident they won legitly, they should welcome audits; but they don't want audits, because that might find the fuckery they were counting on flying under the radar.
Though I think you are right neither party is liked by the electorate anymore. The Dems are insane but competent and entrenched, the GOP is 'morally upright' but incompetent and full of grifters, and the Libertarians are full of AnCaps who want to metaphorically stick their heads in the sand.
Personally I've decided never to donate to any campaign again, or do any surveys or the like for either party. I'll vote just to see what happens, but I don't really expect it to count, and I don't expect the progressives will be pushed out of power in my life time, if ever.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
Besides Arizona. Where else did this happen? It certainly didn’t happen in Pennsylvania where a cognitively impaired Fetterman has won. And it doesn’t look like it is going to happen in Georgia.Zealots were winning until they literally shutdown voting machines and falsified errors
"Please just be tolerant of people who want to rape children and destroy our entire culture and system! We can't look bad!".
And to you last point, your inability to compromise is going to prevent us from taking full control of the Legislature and stopping all of those things you worry about.
I dont even know if this is a defeat, I'd have to look at local elections. If stage governments got swept by the Bananon plan then that's a much bigger victory than anything that's gonna happen on the federal level because it means patriots can retake the GOP.
That has a lot better long term value. Plus the local bosses are the ones who control election infrastructure so if that goes well.
Then it doesn't matter what happens nationally.
My rage is more towards people who still think you can accord any of decency and love and play by fair rules when their opponents want to put them in death camps.
"Your inability to compromise with a party that's made literal child rape one of their core values is inhibiting the conservative mission."
What does that say about the mission?
The Rino gasps as he twists the knife.
That has a lot better long term value. Plus the local bosses are the ones who control election infrastructure so if that goes well.
Then it doesn't matter what happens nationally.
My rage is more towards people who still think you can accord any of decency and love and play by fair rules when their opponents want to put them in death camps.
"Your inability to compromise with a party that's made literal child rape one of their core values is inhibiting the conservative mission."
What does that say about the mission?
The Rino gasps as he twists the knife.
So, congrats @Abhorsen, your Libertarian party truly does have power to act as a spoiler in multiple races, and guess what, it always breaks for the Dems.
Your Libertarians would rather let the nation burn in the fires of Dem insanity than try to stop the madness, if it means voting for a less than ideal GOP candidate.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
It’s not about compromising with the progressives. It’s about appealing to the moderates and independents, who we cannot win without. If we can’t convince them, then we cannot actually get elected to stop the progressives.
Unfortunately, I fear you are too much of a radical to realize that.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
No, Ohio was an open seat formerly held by a Republican.
North Carolina was an open seat formerly held by a Republican. Recently, NC has given narrow victories to Republicans for US Senate and that seems to be the case again in 2022.
In return, you'd federally mandate that they count early and mail-in ballots ahead of time instead of (as in several states) being required to wait till election day, and/or be authorized to conscript the populace as needed for manpower?
On the House: well, much depends on how big the expected Republican majority is. McCarthy will be a very weak Speaker IMO, and I don't know who else would do better. A lot of people don't want the job because it's such a hassle trying to wrangle the party members. Democrats under Pelosi were a surprisingly influential minority IIRC and it's not impossible that they could succeed in fucking with a weak and fractious Republican majority. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm saying it remains to be seen. There is no doubt that even a 1-seat Republican majority would make things harder on Democrats than a Democratic majority of any size, obviously, but it may not be the red wall many may be imagining.
On Florida: I wouldn't say "deep red", but I'd say "solid red". The state shows no sign of sliding left like other areas of the South (if anything, the opposite), but it's no Alabama. I agree that Democratic strategists are probably going to be scratching off Florida as a prime target in presidential elections, if they haven't already. Expect resources to shift from it to Texas which seems to be a perennial pipe dream for Dems that ironically might be more plausible than flipping Florida at this point.
That's ... not a terrible comparison, actually. Gain the Presidency, then lose the House but (looks like) gain in the Senate. However, it looks very unlikely that Republicans will gain as many seats in the House as Democrats did in 2018 (41). My comments on the House above may be relevant.
Yeah, but in most of the battleground states, the state electoral was majority Republicans. They held dozens of hearings from Trump's team over the electoral issue. And yet not one body failed to sign off on the integrity of the election and assign power to the electors.
Two things come to my mind. The first is that they feared that Trump would use it as a pretext to seize power. That's a legitimate (if somewhat insane) concern. The second is that they were not confident how well mail-in-ballots would hold up under tighter scrutiny.
Yet again though, not a single republican legislative body refused to assign power to the electors. So maybe the Democrats were being sly, but clearly it wasn't so far past the line that the Republicans were willing to go to the mat for it.
I expect there are a couple of factors going on. I'm looking at a Wisconsin Democrat for a governor, but by all looks, the senator will be a Republican and the Republicans almost entirely swept Wisconsin. And when I look at Pennsylvania, Oz lost--but he still got more votes than the Republican running for governor. There's being less popular than a retard and then there's being less popular than the guy who lost to a retard. You also have immediate reversals in Connecticut and Maryland for the governorship, yet Maryland's 6th district went red.
I think there are two primary driving factors, apart from both parties not being popular.
1) Roe v Wade probably drove up Dem numbers and probably shifted moderate votes, but it generally seems to be limited to the Governorship, NOT the House and generally not the Senate (keep in mind Republicans had more exposed seats this time). So it's likely that Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are looking to address possible abortion laws.
2) With food and gas spikes this past year, my guess is that more people than ever are on some kind of government assistance. They're probably not all that eager to vote in people whose first solution to the problem is cutting those programs. Yes, those spikes are a result of the Democrats encouraging war in Ukraine. But that doesn't matter now, because the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in. The war in Ukraine either ends with the Russians committing complete genocide or Ukrainians pushing Russia back into their own borders. Either way, it isn't ending soon and neither are higher prices.
Lol, yeah, I don't pay for either party. As far as I'm concerned, it's their job to appeal to me.
Look, do I need to point out the punted SCOTUS cases, or were you not counting those?
I mean, I can see the points you are making, and I generally agree, though I wouldn't describe the Russian invasion as something Dems 'encouraged'; Putin is the one ultimately responsible for the conflict being a thing.
See, that's a healthy mindset; I know that the way the GOP words donation request emails is part of what has turned me off to being more engaged with the party.
The GOP also has this bug about people 'owing' the party their effort and money for opposing the Dems, and the amount of grifters trying to ride the coattail of GOP candidates is alarming.
I'll be blunt, part of me wishes I had never publicly come out to support the GOP, and just been a 'hidden' Trump/GOP voter; coming out to support Trump and the GOP has been one of the worst ROI's I've ever seen, both monetarily and socially. The money I donated to Trump would be really nice right now, and the off-line isolation coming out for Trump/the GOP has caused is hard to bear, when the Trump/GOP support has been proven to have been effectively all for naught.