United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[strunkenwhite]

It means nothing, because the 'Constitutional Convention' idea won't get Dem backing, unless it's as an attempt to hijack it.

Shit's fucked, the system has shown it is very easy to engage in electoral fuckery routinely and get away it for Dems, and the Right is so full of internal propaganda that many on the Right lash out at anyone from the center or ex-Dems who break their preferred narrative.

Balkanization is the likely future of the US now, it's just a matter of which Red States end up being used as 'shelters' by GOP refugees when things start getting real bad.

This is you, doompilling.

 

[strunkenwhite]

At 34 states, you don't need dem backing.

You don't need it to CALL a convention, but you need it to PASS it (38 states).

Unless the GOP controls a supermajority in those 34 state houses, they will need some Dems support if they want to push a Constitutional Convention through.

I am not 100% confident on this, but I don't think that's true. Calling a constitutional convention is not (I think) ordinary legislation that may need a governor to sign off on it; rather, the convention shall be called "on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States".

 

[Bacle]

This is you, doompilling.

What, as opposed to indulging in the same cope that acted like the election as nearly an assured red wave?

I tried to warn people about this, and was talked down to and dismissed by people I respect because I didn't see things as rosy as they wanted to.

I'm not going to pretend shit isn't fucked for the sake of 'morale', I am going to call it how I see it, and I'm going to give people the best advice I can on how to survive the 'loss' and protect themselves.

Just calling me a blackpill doesn't change anything about what has happened, or what I tried to warn people about beforehand, and it just is more fucking cope designed to keep the internal propaganda machine of the GOP establishment in power in the party, even if not in power in DC.

There is a reason the Dems keep winning the culture war, and it's because the GOP fights the culture war like country bumpkin amateurs, and disdain having to listen to anything but what the hardcore GOP base wants.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Unfortunately, I fear you are too much of a radical to realize that.

Those moderates have spent the last 5 years watching troons gang rape their kids while school officials and cops cover up and intimidate victims into silence. They spent two years imprisoned in their homes then saw their sons and daughters drop dead due to MRNA vaccines. They have seen their neighbors kids chemically castrated or brain washed or drugged.

If they're not radicalized by now then they aren't moderate.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Christ, the Maricopa County Audit was just the tip of the iceberg.

They've already half locked in something particularly nasty in the future. 2024 might well seal the deal if the Dems keep it up. What an absurd situation.

 

[Cherico]

Christ, the Maricopa County Audit was just the tip of the iceberg.

They've already half locked in something particularly nasty in the future. 2024 might well seal the deal if the Dems keep it up. What an absurd situation.

its going to get a whole hell of a lot worse.

the 2020s are going to be remembered as an absolute shitshow of a decade expecially since the mass famines will most likely start hitting this winter.

 

[strunkenwhite]

What, as opposed to indulging in the same cope that acted like the election as nearly an assured red wave?

I tried to warn people about this, and was talked down to and dismissed by people I respect because I didn't see things as rosy as they wanted to.

And I agreed with you on that; I don't recall if that agreement was in spirit or in posts, but my posts do show I was definitely not on board the red wave train.

I'm not going to pretend shit isn't fucked for the sake of 'morale', I am going to call it how I see it, and I'm going to give people the best advice I can on how to survive the 'loss' and protect themselves.

Fair enough, but I can call what I see, too, and I see absurd apocalyptic delusions coming from you. Don't feel too bad, though, you aren't alone.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Fair enough, but I can call what I see, too, and I see absurd apocalyptic delusions coming from you. Don't feel too bad, though, you aren't alone.

Meh balkanization isn't necessarily bad if it leads to an eventual resurgence and national reorganization process. It just sucks for everyone going through it.

 

[Bacle]

Those moderates have spent the last 5 years watching troons gang rape their kids while school officials and cops cover up and intimidate victims into silence. They spent two years imprisoned in their homes then saw their sons and daughters drop dead due to MRNA tech. They have seen thejr neighbors kids chemically castrated or brain washed or drugged.

If they're not radicalized by now then they aren't moderate.

This assumes they know what we know, believe the same sources, and forgets that the media has put a lot of time and effort into making sure most of the plebs are ignorant.

IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT, OR DON'T BELIEVE IF THEY DO HEAR ABOUT, THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, THEN THEY WON'T SEE IT THE SAME WAY!

So yelling at them about it, and basing your politics around this shit, doesn't fucking work with the larger electorate. I fucking wish it did, because there is disgusting, Epstein connected shit going on, but the plebs don't know or don't believe it and I don't know how to change that.

And I agreed with you on that; I don't recall if that agreement was in spirit or in posts, but my posts do show I was definitely not on board the red wave train.

You weren't vocal about the Red Wave compared to a lot of the hardcore GOP base here, that's true.

That part of my post was more aimed at those GOP members here who sold cope and false hope to so many.

Fair enough, but I can call what I see, too, and I see absurd apocalyptic delusions coming from you. Don't feel too bad, though, you aren't alone.

That wasn't me being apocalyptic; there are much worse scenario's we could be headed for than what I posited is likely to happen.

I'm tired of being sold cope and false hope and I'm angry/unhappy/despressed my fears were proven right again. I wanted the Red Wave to happen, to get some hope back for US politics, I wanted to believe...and I got fooled by people I thought knew better than me, once again, because they were nice to me in the past.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT, OR DON'T BELIEVE IF THEY DO HEAR ABOUT, THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, THEN THEY WON'T SEE IT THE SAME WAY!

First off, calm down. All caps is not very becoming of anyone.

Secondly, that could change. Elon Musk getting hold of Twitter may prove to be more significant than we realised.

Now if only someone could do that same for YouTube…

 

[Lord Sovereign]

In more happier news, did you see how Ron DeSantis absolutely smashed it in Florida? The man’s a bloody prodigy.

 

[Wargamer08]

In more happier news, did you see how Ron DeSantis absolutely smashed it in Florida? The man’s a bloody prodigy.

I feel that was a strategic choice on the part of the national Dems. Minimize effort and cheating in a hard lost state.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I feel that was a strategic choice on the part of the national Dems. Minimize effort and cheating in a hard lost state.

Eh. More of a case that Florida’s electoral system is actually up to snuff. As I understand it there was a massive balls up in the early 2000s which led to some serious reforms.

That and…DeSantis is a true statesman. Not just a populist with a motormouth. Such people don’t smack down titans like Disney.

I really do think he is your guy, chaps.

 

[Bacle]

Also, seeing reports Sarah Palin's lost Alaska, so that's another House seat gone for the GOP.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Also, seeing reports Sarah Palin's lost Alaska, so that's another Senate seat gone for the GOP.

Shenanigans aside, with all the good will in the world, Sarah Palin never quite struck me as…is “impressive” the right word?

 

[Planchar]

Also, seeing reports Sarah Palin's lost Alaska, so that's another Senate seat gone for the GOP.

Palin was running for the House of Reps. The Alaska senate seat is a race between 2 republicans

 

[Bacle]

Palin was running for the House of Reps. The Alaska senate seat is a race between 2 republicans

Thanks for the clarification, was told elsewhere it was a senate race.

Having just looked at the Senate race, it' s going to stay R, but Murkowski's trailing, and she was a huge anti-Trumper in the Senate, so maybe good new there.

 

[Abhorsen]

Actually the gambling would render it highly inaccurate due to it being illegal for most people to actually use.

... It isn't. It has a specific exception.

I agree with this. And gamblers... have never had a good sense for risks and probabilities.

Repeated studies and analysis say otherwise. Not Science (TM), but actual studies you yourself can replicate by looking up other forecast models and comparing their output with Predictit.

So, congrats @Abhorsen, your Libertarian party truly does have power to act as a spoiler in multiple races, and guess what, it always breaks for the Dems.

Your Libertarians would rather let the nation burn in the fires of Dem insanity than try to stop the madness, if it means voting for a less than ideal GOP candidate.

Thank you! Next time consider having candidates that actually give a shit about liberty? We don't owe you our vote, especially when the options are warmonger R vs warmonger D. We didn't lose the race to the democrats, the Rs did when they decided to have a shit candidate.

Oz v Fetterman is an election where you had the choice of slimeball pro-transkid conman or a not there stroke victim. You are right we voted Libertarian.

This is why I vote Libertarian:

Lol, yeah, I don't pay for either party. As far as I'm concerned, it's their job to appeal to me.

So the good news is that Lake has rebounded, and now has 2:1 odds to take the Governorship. This, IMO, is huge news, as it stops the next election from being fortified. If she can pull something similar to DeSantis, it's even bigger news.

 

[DarthOne]

Welcome to the way US politics has been for decades @Abhorsen. It’s pretty much always been some variety of ‘pick the shiniest of these two turds’.

You keep waiting for the Perfect Candidate in shining armor to show up on a white horse. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to make due…and prepare.

 

[Abhorsen]

Welcome to the way US politics has been for decades @Abhorsen. It’s pretty much always been some variety of ‘pick the shiniest of these two turds’.

You keep waiting for the Perfect Candidate in shining armor to show up on a white horse. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to make due…and prepare.

You and I have a difference about what we consider the shiniest of two turds. First, only state/local elections has an impact on education.

Second, there are plenty of 'Pubs I'd vote for, like Rand Paul, DeSantis for Governor, a lot of the freestaters in NH, etc. Oz? Walker? HA! They are no shinier than their counterparts. Most of the candidates are the same. They voted for more spending when their party is in power, and they voted for handouts to their selection of industry, vote for war, and only make the US worse.

Don't select freedom hating candidates, or you will be spoiled.