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Battlegrinder said:
"The GOP is toxic because they're functionally the same as democrats, which is why they lost the midterms in close races to....people that are basically the same as them"......that doesn't make any sense.

Terms like "Controlled opposition" and "uniparty" are the hallmarks of unserious political commentary.
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More like the GOP is toxic because, in spite of the fact that the Dems pretend they're an existential threat, they've basically done nothing to oppose them; meaning that people who would vote for them if they were legit don't bother.

Also, dismissing terms like "Controlled opposition" and "uniparty" as "hallmarks of unserious political commentary" just makes me not trust a single word you have to say (not that I didn't have a multitude of reasons to not do so already). Because you're either delusional, or dishonest.
 
Look at it like this if you're still a voter come 2024. Vote for someone or not at all after they sell their act.

Pick your poison or none at all.
 
If the GOP tries to pull some more BS in trying to shaft Trump. I say Mr Trump run 3rd party. The establishment GOP will see pretty quick just how many people support Trump as the GOP support tanks in every Red State and they become a Rump party for 4 years. They would most definitely lose the South, And the Midwest. That would be their punishment for their actions.
 
Rocinante said:
Well one way for us to start agreeing with one another is for the hardcore Trump folks to admit that maybe he isn't perfect, and has made some mistakes.
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One of his biggest being trusting the Republicans; although pushing the COVID vaccines and giving manufacturers carte blanche immunity for any "complications" that arose from taking said vaccines is a close second.
 
Terthna said:
One of his biggest being trusting the Republicans; although pushing the COVID vaccines and giving manufacturers carte blanche immunity for any "complications" that arose from taking said vaccines is a close second.
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As well as the MASSIVE spending and the "take guns first, due process later," stuff


Like I keep saying, I'll probably vote Trump 2024 if he's the candidate. I just think there are better candidates, and the ones I like are not bog standard establishment candidates.

I think they have a better chance at winning 2024 as well, and I am against Trump trying to bring them down like he did with DeSantis.

Plus he really needs to drop this death penalty for drug dealers shit, because that's a deal breaker for me, and I'll just go back to voting democrat.
 
Arch Dornan said:
Blake Masters and a MAGA candidate Kelly Tshibaka I remember the most being denied the funding. He wanted to keep the incumbent RINO Lisa Murkoswki on which he gave to.
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Masters got millions and millions of dollars from Peter Thiel, and still lost, just like virtually every candidate in his mold.

I don't know his reasoning for backing Murkowski, but one bad call isn't disqualifying.

Terthna said:
More like the GOP is toxic because, in spite of the fact that the Dems pretend they're an existential threat, they've basically done nothing to oppose them; meaning that people who would vote for them if the were legit don't bother.
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So, the GOP is toxic because they've ignored absurd retoric from the democrats instead of.....doing what exactly? And this ambivalent reaction to clearly disingenuous attack ads makes them politically toxic and illegitimate to regular voters that see through the dems smokescreen?

This is nonsensical.

Terthna said:
Also, dismissing terms like "Controlled opposition" and "uniparty" as "hallmarks of unserious political commentary" just makes me not trust a single word you have to say (not that I didn't have a multitude of reasons to already). Because you're either delusional, or dishonest.
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Ok, so what other serious, intellectually sound commentators and analysts agree with you, and think the entire party system is a sham and the dems actually run everything? If it's as obvious as you claim there should be plenty of them.
 
Before someone says election fortification is anyone here actually capable of stopping or know someone who does?

I know it's a rhetorical question but I only see you have the basic capacity to vote or get a slight entry into politics.

No one is going to change their mind. Trump has announced his intention and the presidential nomination will decide if he succeeds or not.

When that time comes you either vote, donate, support your candidates, do the bare minimum or you don't participate at all.
Battlegrinder said:
Masters got millions and millions of dollars from Peter Thiel, and still lost, just like virtually every candidate in his mold.

I don't know his reasoning for backing Murkowski, but one bad call isn't disqualifying.
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He wants no more populist MAGA in the party.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@Rocinante

The establishment/RINOs/neo-cons knifed Trump in the back ever since he was elected. They worked with the bureaucracy and the military to actively go against the orders of the Commander-in-Chief.

They will do exactly the same again if allowed. We can not allow the idea of the 'big tent' to shelter those that would betray the constitution and the people of this country.
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Therefore the solution is to nominate the guy who got knifed, because clearly he's going to do things better this time. For reasons.
 
Sailor.X said:
If the GOP tries to pull some more BS in trying to shaft Trump. I say Mr Trump run 3rd party. The establishment GOP will see pretty quick just how many people support Trump as the GOP support tanks in every Red State and they become a Rump party for 4 years. They would most definitely lose the South, And the Midwest. That would be their punishment for their actions.
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Yes, the "split the ticket and hand things over to the dems" tactic, that will definitely make the GOP respext you and they totally won't regard the Trump faction as a bunch of traitorous cultists.

Oh, wait, this is only the plan if they somehow screw Trump, obviously if he loses the nomination fair and square he'll admit that and rally behind the winner, because he has such a long track record of respecting defeats and being a team player.


Arch Dornan said:
He wants no more populist MAGA in the party.
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So why did he boost Vance, Oz, and Walker?
 
I don't know why Trump has chosen executing drug dealers as his next crusade.

Personally I don't care if all the drug dealers get killed, but it seems like bad politics. Even if you could get elected on that, it would never pass through Congress, and even if it did it would never get through the courts.

I will still vote for him if he is the nominee, but this is another instance of Trump acting on impulse instead of calculated strategy. I would prefer a leader who actually thinks before he acts.
 
KilroywasNOTHere said:
And once again the infighting starts. You know if we fought the Democrats as much as we right each other, we might actually win a few elections.
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"Starts"? On this forum we've been infighting almost nonstop since the 2020 election.



Battlegrinder said:
So, the GOP is toxic because they've ignored absurd retoric from the democrats instead of.....doing what exactly? And this ambivalent reaction to clearly disingenuous attack ads makes them politically toxic and illegitimate to regular voters that see through the dems smokescreen?

This is nonsensical.
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Anthony Fauci provably lied to Congress on numerous occasions. That's illegal; but as far as I'm aware, not once has any Republican made a move to try and bring charges against him. That's just one example of the Republicans utterly failing to oppose the Democrats in any meaningful way; of which there are countless more.

Battlegrinder said:
Ok, so what other serious, intellectually sound commentators and analysts agree with you, and think the entire party system is a sham and the dems actually run everything? If it's as obvious as you claim there should be plenty of them.
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I'm not getting into an "appeal to authority" fight with you.
 
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