CarlManvers2019
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Wait, what? How?
Also, man, would it be wrong if I somehow think of Tyrion raising Tommen as a pseudo-foster-son so that he can take over The Rock after realizing it?
Wait, what? How?
Also, man, would it be wrong if I somehow think of Tyrion raising Tommen as a pseudo-foster-son so that he can take over The Rock after realizing it?
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By being a dwarf.
Eh? It’s not impossible. Tyrion does care for his niece and nephew(then again pursuing vengeance against Cersei will get them dead and he knows that, but I wouldn’t say even book Tyrion doesn’t care about them at all). Depends on the context really. Maybe if the Lannister’s were defeated by Robert or whoever Tyrion gets the rock and becomes Tommen’s legal guardian. So it’s not completely out of the realm of imagination.
CarlManvers2019
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Legal guardian could work, though I think Tommen is too innocent to learn to “play the game” let alone be put into a training yard
Hmm, reminds me of this one fic wherein Post-Season 5 or Post-A Dance of Dragons, Wall+Beyond-The-Wall+Other lands replaced areas right at the beginning of Volume 1
After V1!Jon saved Arya and Sansa from Joffrey in Winterfell, Catelyn cared for Jon whilst also observing Tommen & Myrcella and being surprised how the Direwolf pups liked them in-spite of the incest and Tommen was playing/fighting with Bran
Man, I think Myrcella and Tommen would have gotten along really well with the rest of the Stark kids had they stayed together longer
Ganurath
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The only connection I've ever heard of between dwarfism and fertility is Aldo Lestrade of Battletech, and his sterility was due to a crippling injury rather than being an inborn trait, as the bastard he sired prior to the injury could attest. Investigating the matter on Google... Well, let's just leave it that I'm reasonably certain that Tyrion isn't a literal watermelon, so there's nothing there that supports the notion, either.
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Tyrion has no known bastards. And being a dwarf likely means other medical problems. But I would have do some research on that.
Thematically speaking that adds to the tragedy of his character. He can’t have children of his own. Even if he might wish to have them.
As it is I do not expect Tyrion to sire children.
Also, I’m not the first one to have brought up the issue. Look up Tyrion sterile on google and Reddit ASOIAF and Westeros.org have plenty of discussions on the matter.
CarlManvers2019
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Man, I think Tywin probably would have angrily pointed that out if he knew
Why even give Tyrion The Rock if he can’t even have children
Though, I think even Tywin may somewhat approve of making Tommen his ward/heir/foster son
Course, I don’t think Westerosi Nobility have much thoughts or use for “adoptions” as blood is required as much as possible, even if its adopting your brothers son as your heir
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If he was sterile I doubt Tywin knew.
As it is, such speculation will never be confirmed as Tyrion will never have children.
As it is, such speculation will never be confirmed as Tyrion will never have children.
CarlManvers2019
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If he knew, he wouldn’t have bothered marrying him off to Sansa
Honestly, I’d think if he did have kids, it would have been mentioned at least once that he got women bringing babies to him that were blonde and green eyed
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I mean, if Tyrion and Sansa did have a child(consensually or otherwise) then obviously he would not be sterile.
If he did have bastard’s, then I doubt the whores involved were likely to present them to the Imp. And Tywin definitely would not have given them room and board(well on the other hand maybe?-given Joy Hill).
If he did have bastard’s, then I doubt the whores involved were likely to present them to the Imp. And Tywin definitely would not have given them room and board(well on the other hand maybe?-given Joy Hill).
CarlManvers2019
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I think Tywin only did that because that was Gerion's only bastard daughter.....and it may have been from a fanfic, but I think Joy Hill might be sort of Tywin's "hostage" to the brother(Gerion) he dislikes even long after Gerion never returned
Speaking of Gerion, what would have happened had he somehow actually gotten Brightroar to Tywin? Would the latter's opinion of him change?
CarlManvers2019
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Question, how do you guys think Slavery in Essos can be replaced with regular employment? Could Braavos do something or give examples as to how it'd be more economically feasible WITHOUT slavery?
It can't.
Slavery is, historically, the norm for "civilized" humanity. It's not until you get to a proper industrial revolution that slavery ceases to be economically viable.
Westeros is also a slave based economy; what do you think the smallfolk are?
Hell, even in modern life; wage slave is a term for a reason. Someone working at McDonalds would actually cost the company less than a plantation slave when you adjust for inflation.
I mean iPhones are made with what is effectively slave labor, as are quite a lot of modern conveniences.
So first, define slavery.
CarlManvers2019
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Okay, so gonna need an Industrial Revolution at least
Still, smallfolk or even cheap labor are a step above the constant mass abduction of people by raiders and pirates for just about anything
My definition of slavery is people being used as workers without any real consent on their own, possibly having been abducted or sold by another person and having no chance to leave said position without the desire of the “owner”
Not sure how much in Essos there’s even a thing about “paying back the debts”
Though, I think Essosi Slavemasters would purposely overcharge them for things like eating & sleeping & what tools they use in order to make them as permanent as possible
In the end, it mostly for me has to do with all the abduction, and I don’t think a person’s debts would be transferred onto family to “justify” enslaving the latter
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Slaves can be bought and sold though. Westerosi peasants are tied to the land. Feudalism and slavery are distinct in that-in feudalism land and its attendants(serfs) are property, in a slave society-the slaves themselves are the foundation.
CarlManvers2019
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Tied to the land to varying degrees, I don’t think the nobility have laws that’d result in tons of extremely inbred peasants
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In Westeros, land is usually gained through marriage, the raising of new lords and demesnes, or attainting and replacement. Its divvied up.
In Western Essos-land is likely treated as more of a commodity, to be bought and sold.
Whereas in Westeros-land is the foundation of society. In Essos-labor(slave or otherwise) is.
In Western Essos-land is likely treated as more of a commodity, to be bought and sold.
Whereas in Westeros-land is the foundation of society. In Essos-labor(slave or otherwise) is.
CarlManvers2019
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That and mercantilism, I think Westerosi really look down on Merchants and houses founded on being successful merchants instead of being warriors
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Essos is mercantile because it is more urbanized.
CarlManvers2019
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What technologies are they more advanced than Westeros in?
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Braavos has more advanced ship building, and they are generally at a Renaissance level of tech.