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The Ghost of High Heart may not die
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She didn't die?
CarlManvers2019
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Oh right, I think she won't be separated or disappear after Summerhall to the Riverlands
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Anyway
Here's another idea.
What if Robert dies in the Greyjoy Rebellion. Now Joff is already born IIRC by this time.
So he becomes king. With his mother and Stannis(perhaps) as regents.
Arryn and Stannis have no reason to suspect the Lannicest, with one blonde haired prince being assumed to just favor the Lannister look.
Now Cersei would be very protective of her boy, but she would face a lot more opposition regarding the influencing of Joffrey and his upbringing. From Stannis, Jon, and maybe Ned if he goes south.
The Ironborn are pulverized and House Greyjoy either castamered or attainted.
LF however is in play as is Varys. So...chaos is the aim.
Stannis will be a leal servant of Joff, Renly is still youngish. And Mace will want to marry Marge to Joff-though I doubt Stannis or Cersei would be keen on the idea.
Actually-I sort of like the notion of Cersei and Stannis as Joff's co regents. It would be before Cersei totally lost her marbles and before Stannis ever grew as bitter as he did. Lots of teeth grinding on his end.
Here's another idea.
What if Robert dies in the Greyjoy Rebellion. Now Joff is already born IIRC by this time.
So he becomes king. With his mother and Stannis(perhaps) as regents.
Arryn and Stannis have no reason to suspect the Lannicest, with one blonde haired prince being assumed to just favor the Lannister look.
Now Cersei would be very protective of her boy, but she would face a lot more opposition regarding the influencing of Joffrey and his upbringing. From Stannis, Jon, and maybe Ned if he goes south.
The Ironborn are pulverized and House Greyjoy either castamered or attainted.
LF however is in play as is Varys. So...chaos is the aim.
Stannis will be a leal servant of Joff, Renly is still youngish. And Mace will want to marry Marge to Joff-though I doubt Stannis or Cersei would be keen on the idea.
Actually-I sort of like the notion of Cersei and Stannis as Joff's co regents. It would be before Cersei totally lost her marbles and before Stannis ever grew as bitter as he did. Lots of teeth grinding on his end.
CarlManvers2019
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Cersei would have the most influence raising him still, I think
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Thing is, she doesn't have the same power she did in AFFC. Tyrion isn't most wanted, Tywin isn't dead, nor is Stannis an enemy or Arryn dead.
In fact, her influence over the young king actually will be demanded to be ceded. Both by lords Baratheon and Arryn and perhaps Lord Lannister as well. Tywin will likely want to marry her off again.
@Ganurath your thoughts?
In fact, her influence over the young king actually will be demanded to be ceded. Both by lords Baratheon and Arryn and perhaps Lord Lannister as well. Tywin will likely want to marry her off again.
@Ganurath your thoughts?
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Depends on the months involved.
I butterflied away Myrcella, maybe after Robert dies Cersei holds off sex with Jaimie to avoid suspicion? Or uses moon tea?
If she was born-then House Baratheon of King's Landing has another princess to use.
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So I've been thinking on the issue of Elective Monarchy, with the show of course hanging over this sort of discussion as well as history.
First off-elective monarchies are not inherently unstable, in fact they guarantee the nobles a stake in the system, this can cause problems in times of war-as Poland's nobility often refused to back the king against foreign encroachment.
Anyway-in Westeros, an elected monarch by the nobility gives the nobles a reason to feel they have a stake in the ruler.
The elected monarchy established at the end of season 8(the writing issues of the later seasons and that season entirely ignored) could last for a long time(especially with the north not being dumbly independent to give Sansa a gurl power ending).
Harrenhal could be served as the central court of the monarch-and elections held upon his or her death. Horse trading, marriage alliances, bribery and strong arming would all play a role-and yes there would be wars. I could see a Stark dynasty-the Hapsburg equivalent. Something Tywin dreamed of and yet the Starks pull off at the end. A stark king and stark rulers or friends and relations of the Starks holding the continent.
First off-elective monarchies are not inherently unstable, in fact they guarantee the nobles a stake in the system, this can cause problems in times of war-as Poland's nobility often refused to back the king against foreign encroachment.
Anyway-in Westeros, an elected monarch by the nobility gives the nobles a reason to feel they have a stake in the ruler.
The elected monarchy established at the end of season 8(the writing issues of the later seasons and that season entirely ignored) could last for a long time(especially with the north not being dumbly independent to give Sansa a gurl power ending).
Harrenhal could be served as the central court of the monarch-and elections held upon his or her death. Horse trading, marriage alliances, bribery and strong arming would all play a role-and yes there would be wars. I could see a Stark dynasty-the Hapsburg equivalent. Something Tywin dreamed of and yet the Starks pull off at the end. A stark king and stark rulers or friends and relations of the Starks holding the continent.
CarlManvers2019
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That’s putting it lightly, Bran could live for at least two centuries and be a manipulative mastermind who’s predicting, adapting, using & making lots of plots
Assassination plans? He may have planned it or already knows who did it
Even beyond his lifetime he may have effects
Think of Psychohistory
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That's probably a lot of what Martin is playing with.
CarlManvers2019
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GRRM is a Dune fan, as I recall
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So since we are discussing Westeros as a whole.
What would be the best strategy to invade the north. Assume equivalent technology but sufficient resources.
Personally I like a multi pronged assault works best-attack from the western and eastern coasts. Secure the Islands and Winterfell.
Isolate the northern lords and use the vast emptiness of the land against them.
To do this-you need an army in the hundreds of thousands. And a navy with hundreds or thousands of ships.
I do believe the north can be invaded.
What would be the best strategy to invade the north. Assume equivalent technology but sufficient resources.
Personally I like a multi pronged assault works best-attack from the western and eastern coasts. Secure the Islands and Winterfell.
Isolate the northern lords and use the vast emptiness of the land against them.
To do this-you need an army in the hundreds of thousands. And a navy with hundreds or thousands of ships.
I do believe the north can be invaded.
CarlManvers2019
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Just how are crops grown in the North enough for their population? I think it’s mainly trade that sustains them
And they probably won’t take/use the Gift/New Gift
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Personally I think if use seize Winterfell, White Harbor, and the Dreadfort alongside maybe Torrhen Square-you have the most productive parts of the north. From there Karhold and The Last Hearth can be isolated.
The Neck need not be attacked-or use overwhelming numbers-something like 7-1 and you will overwhelm the Crannogmen.
CarlManvers2019
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Promise the Boltons a chance at becoming Lord Paramounts for better access to the North?
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@Lord Invictus @Ganurath
Say, is it me or the Children of The Forest, a stone aged people somehow had access to a power that grants near omniscience, have the ability to warg into animals and live millennia long lives....can’t exactly be products of regular evolution
I’m thinking they’re either aliens who crash landed and devolved culturally or purposely came to the Planetos and forgot much
Or are a magical creation like the Dragons
Say, is it me or the Children of The Forest, a stone aged people somehow had access to a power that grants near omniscience, have the ability to warg into animals and live millennia long lives....can’t exactly be products of regular evolution
I’m thinking they’re either aliens who crash landed and devolved culturally or purposely came to the Planetos and forgot much
Or are a magical creation like the Dragons
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Greenseeing doesn't grand omniscience(well not really).
As for evolution-that depends on if you believe Planetos is itself a world naturally made. If the gods(or some god) is real in the world of ASOIAF than you have your answer.
As for evolution-that depends on if you believe Planetos is itself a world naturally made. If the gods(or some god) is real in the world of ASOIAF than you have your answer.