ASOIAF/GOT ASOIAF Ideas, Recs, and Discussion thread

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Since we don’t have a thread for this, I decided I would make one.

This is for all ASOIAF what ifs, discussion, and recs.

If a mod sees fit to alter or move this thread, they are of course free to do so.
 

Basileus_Komnenos

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Do you see Stannis winning the Battle of Ice in the Books? I feel like he's set to, but GRRM could be misdirecting us.
 
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Do you see Stannis winning the Battle of Ice in the Books? I feel like he's set to, but GRRM could be misdirecting us.
Personally I feel Stannis must burn Shireen. It’s heavily foreshadowed in the books. And so the show just got rid of Stannis by cutting out most of the north plot line.

It would be a massive cop out if Melisandre and/or Selyse does it without Stannis’ knowledge or approval.

After all “Stannis ground his teeth again. "I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold and heavy on the head, but so long as I am the king, I have a duty . . . If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark . . . Sacrifice . . . is never easy, Davos. Tell him, my lady." (Davos VI, ASoS 63)

Melisandre said, "Azor Ahai tempered Lightbringer with the heart's blood of his own beloved wife. If a man with a thousand cows gives one to god, that is nothing. But a man who offers the only cow he owns . . ."


I fully believe it will be the culmination of Stannis’ story. Perhaps a last ditch effort to hold the wall from the Others.

Thus he will likely defeat the Bolton’s.
 
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If the Others are about to overrun the wall.

And Stannis has fully embraced his own hype around being Azor Ahai, not to mention the notion, “it’s a long shot but maybe a sacrifice will do the trick”.

Shireen is his one “cow”. To give her up would be the hardest decision of his life. But to save the realm?

Yes. Yes. I believe Stannis would do it.

Anyone else-Melisandre and/or Selyse does have the same thematic weight and character drama.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Shireen is his one “cow”. To give her up would be the hardest decision of his life. But to save the realm?

Yes. Yes. I believe Stannis would do it.

Anyone else-Melisandre and/or Selyse does have the same thematic weight and character drama

I am gonna have to guess he will remarry afterwards, I think Selyse may have fertility problems.

Anyway, since this is also an Ideas thread

I know you hate Stark Wanks, but this is sorta a limited version

On their wedding night, Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully gain the following as extra voices in their heads who can on occasion take over their bodies and somehow enhance their physiques whilst doing so

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Conan The Cimmerian(Ned) & Red Sonja(Cat)

Both know of each other’s situation and have to deal with nearby nobles expecting Conan/Ned to put an heir in Red Sonja/Cat

Just so you know, I’ve only read the Conan The Cimmerian stories by Robert E Howard instead kf the comics of both of them

How does The Game get affected in the long run?
 
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Stannis is doomed. He will likely die in the north. A failed savior. He won’t see spring. Selyse and most of Stannis’ supporting coterie will likely perish as well.

I don’t know, Robb and Cat overpower the Frey’s and escape I guess? I find stark wanks-especially ones with power ups like this boring and uninteresting, no offense.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Stannis is doomed. He will likely die in the north. A failed savior. He won’t see spring. Selyse and most of Stannis’ supporting coterie will likely perish as well.

I don’t know, Robb and Cat overpower the Frey’s and escape I guess? I find stark wanks-especially ones with power ups like this boring and uninteresting, no offense.

Okay

Also, I said Ned not Robb
 
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I don’t know. I guess Ned and Cat are much better fighters. Which may butterfly things or change them anyway.

Here’s an idea.

Joffrey and Tommen and any other children Cersei has via Jaimie die as stillborns or infancy.

Myrcella is still Jaimie’s. But given the queen only has one child-no one suspects the incest and everyone assumes she just takes after her mother.

Robert and Cersei’s marriage still deteriorate with the added issue of Robert blaming Cersei for not giving him a healthy son. Cersei responds that this is unfair and that she has tried. She still continues to cuckold Robert but the deaths have spooked her and she is less gung go for the incest.

Now you have one girl sitting on the Iron Throne. Once Robert dies. No suspicions of the incest are around, except for Varys and LF. Who at this point find it basically useless as information.

Would Stannis support his supposed niece, with the precedent that no woman has sat the iron throne in her own right?

Or would he rebel?

What would Renly do?
 

CarlManvers2019

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Renly may still rebel

That said, if Stannis stays loyal he now has to make sure Myrcella doesn’t get taken advantage of in a way that leads to possible future wars
 
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Myrcella has a lot of suitors. I imagine this Myrcella is more introverted and shy without brothers but is otherwise canon Myrcella.

Robb Stark(I could see Robert asking Ned about a betrothal in this regard), Robert Arryn, potentially a Lannister or Estermont cousin, Tyrell or Hightower, or someone lower than a paramount.

But whoever marries Myrcella will be king consort. And there will be a lot of men at her door.

Those that Cersei doesn’t try to drive away.

Heck I could see Varys and Illyrio plotting on killing whoever her husband is and marrying her to Aegon to unite the claims.

The “brave Targaryen prince who frees his enemy’s daughter from the clutches of xyz evil man and brings peace to the realm”. Sort of story people love.

LF likely wants to cause chaos regardless. And would seek to accentuate tensions in Myrcella’s court.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Heck I could see Varys and Illyrio plotting on killing whoever her husband is and marrying her to Aegon to unite the claims.

The “brave Targaryen prince who frees his enemy’s daughter from the clutches of xyz evil man and brings peace to the realm”. Sort of story people love.

LF likely wants to cause chaos regardless. And would seek to accentuate tensions in Myrcella’s court.

I think Tywin may dislike the idea that his great grand children will be marrying each other because Targaryen’s love incest so much.....if only he knew about Jaime and Cersei

I guess Sandor will be her bodyguard and be glad that his semi-boss is nice if strange
 
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I expect Stannis to remain loyal assuming the law remains in affect. Unless of course he feels that the law says a woman can’t rule in her own right.

Renly would probably use this issue to rebel.

Ned probably supports Myrcella out of respect for Robert, and the Tullies and Arryns likely will do what the north does. Well the Tullies anyway. LF will likely keep the Vale out of any Renly-Myrcella war.
 
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Here’s another idea. Inspired by Purple Days.

PD...Cersei.

How long would it take Cersei to break? And how long for her to become a good and then competent person and queen? Much less a legend like Joffrey?
 

CarlManvers2019

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Here’s another idea. Inspired by Purple Days.

PD...Cersei.

How long would it take Cersei to break? And how long for her to become a good and then competent person and queen? Much less a legend like Joffrey?

When exactly does this occur? Right before canon or before Harrenhal?
 
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When exactly does this occur? Right before canon or before Harrenhal?
I’m assuming your familiar with Purple Days?

Uh I’ve went over this myself a lot. I guess either the start of canon or Cersei’s marriage to Robert.

Is when the loop starts. After she dies.
 
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So what if Aerys and Joanna had a secret love child before Joanna was married to Tywin?

Let’s call the child uh Aemon or some other name.

Waters that is.

The child is sent to the Velaryons’s or some other close vassal of the Targs. Mostly to avoid the embarrassment and public scandal, as well as ensure Tywin didn’t find out if the child was raised in KL(I’m guessing the child is sent away months at most from Tywin and Joanna marrying).

Once Tywin and Joanna are wedded and bedded-Tywin finds out about his wife’s history as Aerys’ paramour. He can’t really do much about this but it sets his pride against Aerys.

It does make him a lot more suspicious and less “in love” with his wife. So things go roughly according to canon-except maybe I don’t know Jaimie and Cersei are definitely Aerys. Or at least there is substantial doubt-as Aerys and Joanna in this timeline remained on good terms and Joanna remained in King’s Landing. Same with Tyrion.

Jaimie and Cersei have very very light blonde hair and bright eyes-green eyes, but Targ seed is relatively weak. Tyrion the same.

Tywin mostly can’t retaliate because he has no definitive proof of his wife’s infidelity, and Joanna fervently claims they are his. She dies when Tyrion is five of the pox. And Cersei doesn’t ever visit Maggy.

Tywin in this timeline is far more reticent in his ambitions-he has the nagging feeling that perhaps none of his children are his, or worse only Tyrion is. He can’t prove it. And even if Joanna was cheating on him-that doesn’t prove for sure who the father is. As she wasn’t not having sex with him. Being a pride obsessed man-this eats away at him and he can’t help but look at his children and see Aerys.

So Tywin is basically cold to all his children, and basically is waiting for an opportunity to disinherit them all.

The opportunity comes when about a year before the rebellion-he catches Jaimie and cersei doing the twincest. On top of that Aerys snidely remarks how Joanna cried out his name during the Tourney of Harrenhal. With Aerys there is no way to no if he’s just needling the old lion or telling the truth.

Furious-he disowns all his children then and there. And plans to remarry. He doesn’t kill them because of bad PR-and because as said there is doubt.

He basically frog marches all three of them to the docks of Lannisport and sends them away on a ship with a ferocious roar of a warning-return to Westeros and he would butcher them all.

Being teenagers and without any support-the Lannister children end up in Braavos-and manage to acquire a small cottage.

Rebellion happens-but Aerys is captured, and is executed. With Robert as king.

Robert marries Delena Florent, and twenty years later.

Varys is getting ready for his targ restoration plot-and the three lion dragons-who have managed to carve out a fairly wealthy outfit for themselves, somehow. A company that does work in sailing, cartography, and so on-with it’s own sellswords led by a Jaimie Waters. Discreetly approached-an offer is made for Cersei to marry her half nephew-and restore the Targaryen dynasty. She accepts. Also Tyrion is promised the rock, and Jaimie is promised recognition as Aerys son. Or rather they all are.

A war is ongoing in Westeros-with LF having manipulated Renly into rebelling and provoking a coup-leading to a free for all, with Robert’s children being butchered and Stannis slain by Loras Tyrell in single combat before Renly himself was cut down in the battle of King’s Landing by Ser Richard Horpe.

This Baratheon bloodletting leads to a score of old grudges erupting and the realm on the verge of full scale disintegration.

The Dornish are however furious the spider has given Elia’s son to the bastard daughter of the “mad king and the lioness whore” and thus ensuring Tywin’s legacy-false or true is coming for the Iron Throne. Leading for them to marry Viserys to Arianne(that goes some differently no Dothraki sea and golden crown) with Quentyn marrying Daenerys.

Leading the second dance of the dragons-or the war of the bastards of lion and dragon and the scions of Nymeros-Martell.

And who assists the Lannitargs across the narrow sea? Why Aemon Waters of course, who has his own private fleet and empire in the stepstones, their potential sibling.

TLDR: Basically Jaimie, Cersei and Tyrion all on the same “team” and involved in a targ restoration plot against Daenerys and Viserys and the crumbling STAB alliance.

@CarlManvers2019 thoughts? Not my most well thought out idea but it came to mind and I had to write it down.
 
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