The Americas 🇨🇺 Protests in Cuba

[49ersfootball]

Good Morning everyone. I'm assuming y'all heard about the protests in Cuba over the weekend & more protests in other parts of the island country.

Any thoughts ?

 

[Duke Nukem]

They are protesting their communist government but the media is trying to spin it as protests over"vaccine shortages" .

 

[49ersfootball]

They are protesting their communist government but the media is trying to spin it as protests over"vaccine shortages" .

The mainstream media is STUPID. It's about the dictatorship that folks are sick & tired of.

 

[bintananth]

They are protesting their communist government but the media is trying to spin it as protests over"vaccine shortages" .

The media might not be spinning it and have a point here. Medical care is something the Cuban Communists actually got right. If the people are protesting because of vaccine shortages it's because the Cuban government can't import enough due to trade embargos.

 

[LordsFire]

The media might not be spinning it and have a point here. Medical care is something the Cuban Communists actually got right. If the people are protesting because of vaccine shortages it's because the Cuban government can't import enough due to trade embargos.

You actually believe their propaganda about Cuba's health care?

 

[LindyAF]

cuba sucks but this is probably a cia gayop and they suck worse

 

[Rocinante]

The media might not be spinning it and have a point here. Medical care is something the Cuban Communists actually got right. If the people are protesting because of vaccine shortages it's because the Cuban government can't import enough due to trade embargos.

Lol they got healthcare right, but they're facing medical shortages.

Cognitive dissonance in action, folks.

 

[bintananth]

You actually believe their propaganda about Cuba's health care?

I'm sure there's some exaggeration in how effective it is. Hovever, they've got 2.75 times as many doctors per capita as the US does and are behind only Qatar and Monaco in that regard.

Lol they got healthcare right, but they're facing medical shortages.

Cognitive dissonance in action, folks.

Did you miss the whole trade embargos part of what I said?

 

[Rocinante]

I'm sure there's some exaggeration in how effective it is. Hovever, they've got 2.75 times as many doctors per capita as the US does and are behind only Qatar and Monaco in that regard.

If their medical system actually worked, they wouldn't be facing regular shortages of Medicine.

If their system was functional, and as great as you think it is,They wouldn't have shortages. They could just make more medicine. But they can't, because their communist health system doesn't work.

And this isn't just about covid vaccines. Shortages go back YEARS. Cuba Faces Lingering Medicine Shortages - Havana Times

 

[prinCZess]

New York Times description of the protestors as "chanting 'freedom' and other anti-government slogans" was/is worthy of a hearty chuckle. Especially with the fawning coverage the regime or Castro himself while he was alive (or in his obituaries) has received by them and others in that vein of 'news'.

Hopefully the protestors can engender some change or, best case, send Diaz-Canel and the Communist Party of Cuba the way of the dodo. But communist regimes have the amazing ability of killing or disappearing enough 'enemies of the revolution' to maintain their power once they achieve it to keep themselves alive and on top no matter how shitty the impacts of their governance on everyone below them (See Venezuela for a modern contemporary example). Somewhat amazing, that.

 

[gral]

I'm sure there's some exaggeration in how effective it is. Hovever, they've got 2.75 times as many doctors per capita as the US does and are behind only Qatar and Monaco in that regard.

Believe me, I'd rather have a single US doctor than 3 Cuban ones. Cuba did well in picking the low-hanging fruit, improving what could easily or cheaply be improved. As these improvements do have dramatic effects on mortality rates and general health of the population(and most, if not all, Latin Amercian countries couldn't even do that reliably at the time), the Cuban health system legend was born.

 

[Abhorsen]

The media might not be spinning it and have a point here. Medical care is something the Cuban Communists actually got right. If the people are protesting because of vaccine shortages it's because the Cuban government can't import enough due to trade embargos.

By actually got right, you mean basically slavery, sure.

I'm sure there's some exaggeration in how effective it is. Hovever, they've got 2.75 times as many doctors per capita as the US does and are behind only Qatar and Monaco in that regard.

That'd be the socialism. That means that instead of smart people doing a variety of things, they all go into medicine cause it is basically demanded/subsidized. That's not a good thing though. They have too many doctors, who get paid almost nothing and are forced to work, so they basically rent them out for money or better international relations. The Cuban government prevents them from choosing to work for themselves, and forces them to work for the government. That's slavery.

In addition, focusing all on Healthcare means missing out on other opportunities, like computer programmers or other high skill jobs.

 

[Rocinante]

I'm sure there's some exaggeration in how effective it is. Hovever, they've got 2.75 times as many doctors per capita as the US does and are behind only Qatar and Monaco in that regard.


Did you miss the whole trade embargos part of what I said?

You mentioned the trade embargo when you were saying they couldn't get enough covid vaccines.

They've been under that embargo for a long time, if their health system worked so great, they could just produce their own drugs. Why aren't they? Why have there been shortages going back for years?

Cuba Faces Lingering Medicine Shortages - Havana Times

In June 2018, the list of available essential medicines in Cuba was short by 45 drugs, according to Public Health authorities. However official sources say that shortages today aren’t as serious as they were last year,

havanatimes.org

What makes you think a healthcare system that can't provide for its own citizens is successful?

 

[Rocinante]

By actually got right, you mean basically slavery, sure.

That'd be the socialism. That means that instead of smart people doing a variety of things, they all go into medicine cause it is basically demanded/subsidized. That's not a good thing though. They have too many doctors, who get paid almost nothing and are forced to work, so they basically rent them out for money or better international relations. The Cuban government prevents them from choosing to work for themselves, and forces them to work for the government. That's slavery.

In addition, focusing all on Healthcare means missing out on other opportunities, like computer programmers or other high skill jobs.

Let's not forget about the abuses those doctors sent abroad face as well.

Technical Difficulties

share.america.gov

Testimony from some of the doctors who escaped cite various forms of abuse: threats against doctors leaving the program, non-payment of wages, restricted movements, and confiscated passports. According to State Department data, confirmed by the doctors themselves, the Cuban government typically pockets 75–90 percent of these doctors’ salaries.

But yeah, apparently years of medical shortages and doctors being forced into indentured servitude are signs of a wonderful working system.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Cuba: Communists Issue 'Order of Combat' Against Peaceful Protesters

Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel announced an "order of combat" on Sunday against peaceful pro-democracy protesters.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Rocinante]

Cuba: Communists Issue 'Order of Combat' Against Peaceful Protesters

Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel announced an "order of combat" on Sunday against peaceful pro-democracy protesters.

www.breitbart.com

I don't like war but these people are waving american flags and chanting about freedom.

Perhaps the US should consider liberating them? Idk, I really don't like war, but Cuba is about to start murdering the shit out of these people

 

[LindyAF]

making cuba safe for bacha bazi time

wait I mean democracy. That's what it's called.

 

[LindyAF]

If someone is waving an American flag at a protest in another country it's a cia gayop.

If they're legitimately acting in the interests of their own country, they're waving their own countries' flag, or their waving the flag of their movement, or their waving an alternative to their country's flag. Or another regional flag of their nation. If it's an American flag the point is to give neocons the optics and pretext for involvement.

 

[LordsFire]

If someone is waving an American flag at a protest in another country it's a cia gayop.

If they're legitimately acting in the interests of their own country, they're waving their own countries' flag, or their waving the flag of their movement, or their waving an alternative to their country's flag. Or another regional flag of their nation. If it's an American flag the point is to give neocons the optics and pretext for involvement.

You think that was the case in Hong Kong too, when the protestors there were doing that?

 

[ATP]

I don't like war but these people are waving american flags and chanting about freedom.

Perhaps the US should consider liberating them? Idk, I really don't like war, but Cuba is about to start murdering the shit out of these people

How Biden could liberate cubans,when he is enslaving americans ?