United States 2024: United States Senate Dicussion Thread

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Why is everyone giving in to doom and gloom. Have you look at the most important map. The State Legislature gains.

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because the goalpost keeps shifting. Originally we were promised the red wave/red tsunami and then a red-ish wave and now the goalpost is shifted lower to "Hey look guys at least we made gains, How long before the goalpost gets shifted further and further down before we are just compliant to the progressives.

Desantis was part of the swamp long before trump was in the public eye and he only really jumped on America First when it became a gravy train and as much as I prefer abbot over Beto (Who wouldn't) I see Texas turning California-lite before abbot tells Washington to buck off and takes Texas's economy into his own hands.

 

[Abhorsen]

No, I'm not discounting it, I literally just spent multiple posts talking about how the Left as psyopped a sizable chunk of the American middle class into gleefully murdering its own children bacle. I get ya'll were up late last night but come on bro

If my mom woke up on the kid transition stuff, anyone can. But note that she still has limits on what she'll vote for. For example, she simply hates Trump because he's just rude, and could never vote for him.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

If my mom woke up on the kid transition stuff, anyone can. But note that she still has limits on what she'll vote for. For example, she simply hates Trump because he's just rude, and could never vote for him.

and your mom honestly is a good case example of why democracy is stupid.

 

[Bacle]

Most moderates I've spoken to whom lean left still think the Republican party is the same as it was in the 90s. They believe it is still totally dominated by the religious right and walstreet cronies.

They seem to be unaware of the internal shifts within the rightwing over the last 20 years.

Except, in large part, it is still true; Dobbs proved this; without the religious Right constantly making abortion an political plank and now 'getting what they want' over RvW at the cost of wider elect-ability.

And the corpo crronism has never stopped in the GOP, it's just shrank to fewer and fewer corp's that support the GOP over the Dems.

No, I'm not discounting it, I literally just spent multiple posts talking about how the Left as psyopped a sizable chunk of the American middle class into gleefully murdering its own children bacle. I get ya'll were up late last night but come on bro

I know they psy-op'd a lot of moderates about this stuff; I was saying that your expereince of more and more waking up to things in your parenting groups doesn't translate that well across the entire electorate.

Your history of being from SA and seeing shit go back down there means you are able to convince moderates of things easier, when they personally know you; that's not a widely applicable scenario for the Right, unfortunately.

If my mom woke up on the kid transition stuff, anyone can. But note that she still has limits on what she'll vote for. For example, she simply hates Trump because he's just rude, and could never vote for him.

and your mom honestly is a good case example of why democracy is stupid.

Not voting for someone because they are 'rude' is a major part of what's wrong with us as a nation.

Idiocracy was a warning, it wasn't meant to be prophetic.

 

[Sobek]

I agree in principle with the DeSantis plan, the problem and the reason I am skeptical of it is the fact that I simply do not believe the system will let him run and win unless he agrees to blood oaths to the puppet masters behind the curtain.

The issues are very, very deep. We are arguing about how to fix a big gash wound while the internal bleeding runs rampant.

I am gonna be honest and say this is perhaps a worse result than even if the pie in the sky predictions of a complete Democrat stalemate status quo. It seems to me the current system is trapped in a similar trap that Russia fell into after 1905 there there was too much change for the old guard but not enough to the new generation. The worst of both sides.

Can't wait to see Ruby Ridge 2 and Waco 2 coming soon.

 

[Duke Nukem]

and your mom honestly is a good case example of why democracy is stupid.

 

[Cherico]

I disagree, I see plenty of that everywhere.

The normies are 3 categories

Cattle

Disciple of the devil

Woke up mad.

The woke up mad group is growing in number as the cattle follow the louder voices. But right now the evil bougy self hating Anglo wine aunt still dominates the suburbs.

She's losing her purchase though and elections this weird and more child stealing and their defense thereof is pushing them over the edge.

Things haven't gotten bad enough for people to want actual change. Over all Id say this election was the establishment getting another chance at least for the democrats.

For the republicans this was a rebuilding election, lets not forget that we got rid of most of the worst of the old guard so the party is becoming more capable of acting like a coherent whole. As for the rest, the anger is there and growing but it hasn't hit the tipping point yet.

That said shit is about to get a lot worse I mean a lot worse its just structurally built into the cake.

 

[Abhorsen]

because the goalpost keeps shifting. Originally we were promised the red wave/red tsunami and then a red-ish wave and now the goalpost is shifted lower to "Hey look guys at least we made gains, How long before the goalpost gets shifted further and further down before we are just compliant to the progressives.

Desantis was part of the swamp long before trump was in the public eye and he only really jumped on America First when it became a gravy train and as much as I prefer abbot over Beto (Who wouldn't) I see Texas turning California-lite before abbot tells Washington to buck off and takes Texas's economy into his own hands.

This isn't goalpost shifiting, this is looking on the bright side/coping. "Hey, it sucks we didn't get the huge victory we wanted, but at least we got something."

Second, DeSantis proved himself not of the swamp when he kept Florida open (something Trump was against, btw). That was huge and freedom focused, and leading libertarians have considered not running a candidate against him in a general, including the presumptive front runner Dave Smith.

I'd actually vote DeSantis if he doesn't go full war in the meantime.

and your mom honestly is a good case example of why democracy is stupid.

Yes, democracy is stupid. It's also the least bad system if you want a government. All the others are worse.

I agree in principle with the DeSantis plan, the problem and the reason I am skeptical of it is the fact that I simply do not believe the system will let him run and win unless he agrees to blood oaths to the puppet masters behind the curtain.

He told the feds to fuck off when it came to covid pressure, which was much more severe IMO. He'll be able to do the same here.

 

[Sailor.X]

because the goalpost keeps shifting. Originally we were promised the red wave/red tsunami and then a red-ish wave and now the goalpost is shifted lower to "Hey look guys at least we made gains, How long before the goalpost gets shifted further and further down before we are just compliant to the progressives.

Desantis was part of the swamp long before trump was in the public eye and he only really jumped on America First when it became a gravy train and as much as I prefer abbot over Beto (Who wouldn't) I see Texas turning California-lite before abbot tells Washington to buck off and takes Texas's economy into his own hands.

You can blame rightwing media for all the hype that happened over the last few weeks. If you pay attention to what was predicted before the month of October. The results match what we saw last night. I will also point out if you look back at past interviews Trump had. He made it known his focus was going to be on State Legislatures. Because fixing them is how you get rid of Election tampering on a grand scale. The GOP will control the House. They very well will get a 1 seat majority in the Senate. Depending on the Georgia Race. And they now control the bulk of the State Legislatures in this country. The Red Wave did happen but people are not looking at the data with their own eyes. They are just looking at bits and pieces spooned out by the MSM. A group that constantly tries to Psyop you.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Yes, democracy is stupid. It's also the least bad system if you want a government. All the others are worse.

Constitutional monarchy? I mean it's easier to legally dethrone one king in a palace if he doesn't uphold the constitution than it is to clear a whole secret society hidden behind an army of ministers of truth and an army of the easily manipulated masses. What we have right now seems to have all the problems of those "Worse systems" with the added issue of it being so entangled with every aspect of governance there seems to be no real way of removing it short of removing the whole thing minus maybe the foundation (Ie the bill of rights)

 

[Duke Nukem]

He deserves the win after he got screwed back in 2020.

 

[Abhorsen]

Constitutional monarchy? I mean it's easier to legally dethrone one king in a palace if he doesn't uphold the constitution than it is to clear a whole secret society hidden behind an army of ministers of truth and an army of the easily manipulated masses. What we have right now seems to have all the problems of those "Worse systems" with the added issue of it being so entangled with every aspect of governance there seems to be no real way of removing it short of removing the whole thing minus maybe the foundation (Ie the bill of rights)

Constitutional monarchy has the same problem democracy does: there still will be a whole deep state. If the king can overrule them, then it's not really a constitutional monarchy. And chances are you'll end up with a king who wants to do really stupid shit.

I would advocate national divorce about now. At least let NH go.

 

[Sobek]

Democracy, monarchy, paralentarism, presidentialism... All irrelevant.

None of them matter.

The Antichrist has figured out that all of these systems are perfectly flawed in the same way. They need beurocracies.

The rulers, elected or not, mean nothing. The people pulling the strings are the fucking beurocrats. The civil servant types. The unelected judges and officials, paper pushers and bean counters.

They chose which polices get the money, what gets ignored. What happens and what doesn't. They will stonewall you in indeciferable legalese and endless paper and. In the end they will do what they want.

Just look at the UK and you can see exactly what they want for the whole planet. They voted for Brexit, meant fuck all. Took 4 years to push it through, with the civil servants making sure it was delayed and stopped the entire time. Didn't matter of May or Johnson said "do it", they wouldn't do it and the spineless politicians had no stomatch to order it done under a threat of force (and even if they did, said parasitic civil officials would simply say they didn't have the propper authorization from their friends who control the use of force to do so). When it finally was force it only took a few months for them to subvert and try and join the EU again.

It will get a lot worse before it gets better. People need to understand that as long as you respect these people they will continue to rule. You need to challenge them directly. Simply tell them "No". Force them to lie while lookong you in the eye, and then shame them for it.

God I hate the Antichrist so much its unreal.

 

[strunkenwhite]

If R's take the House, which they likely will. This statement is completely false.

Well, they have to take the House and elect a Speaker. If their majority is small enough, I wouldn't be surprised if we have the privilege of witnessing a clusterfuck the nation hasn't seen the likes of since 1856.

The clear truth is that quality of candidates matter, but only to Republicans and Independents. Democrats will vote for someone with brain damage so long as a (D) is next to the name.

Big talk when Walker is still in the running.

 

[DarthOne]

Pennsylvania is such an embarrassment, I need to leave for some other state one of these days.

Take me with you!

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Constitutional monarchy has the same problem democracy does: there still will be a whole deep state. If the king can overrule them, then it's not really a constitutional monarchy. And chances are you'll end up with a king who wants to do really stupid shit.

I would advocate national divorce about now. At least let NH go.

but the constitution isn't a tool for the rulers. It's the legal document that grants us the right to tell people "No" before something like a constitution sovereignty belonged in the hands of a king and his council and his word was law and there is nothing that could be done about it especially if you were a God-fearing man. With a constitution though the king is required to swear an oath to it and uphold the rights to it and not the other way around. So if the king fails to uphold those rights, the people are not only permitted to remove him, but bound by law to.

I think part of the problem is we as a country have grown accustomed to seeing the constitution as a tool to be used by the rulers, not the rule of law itself.

 

[Ixian]

Well, they have to take the House and elect a Speaker. If their majority is small enough, I wouldn't be surprised if we have the privilege of witnessing a clusterfuck the nation hasn't seen the likes of since 1856.

Big talk when Walker is still in the running.

Walker certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the tootbox, but he isn't "I just had a severe stoke with clear indications of brain damage" levels of bad.

He also isn't outright winning, which just supports my point.

That all being said, I don't know what is more hilarious, that Republican underperformed, or that Democrats think they have won a massive victory because they only lost by a little.

 

[Abhorsen]

but the constitution isn't for the rulers. It's the legal document that grants us the right to tell people "No" before something like a constitution sovereignty belonged in the hands of a king and his council and his word was law and there is nothing that could be done about it especially if you were a God-fearing man. With a constitution though the king is required to swear an oath to it and uphold the rights to it and not the other way around. So if the king fails to uphold those rights, the people are not only permitted to remove him, but bound by law too.

I think part of the problem is we as a country have grown accustomed to seeing the constitution as a tool to be used by the rulers, not the rule of law itself.

People already have the right to say no. It's called a revolution. No, either someone controls the king, at which point you have either a democracy or deepstate, or you have an absolute monarch.

AnCapdom would be best, only it would not last because of warlording.

 

[Sailor.X]

Walker certainly isn't the sharpest tool in the tootbox, but he isn't "I just had a severe stoke with clear indications of brain damage" levels of bad.

He also isn't outright winning, which just supports my point.

That all being said, I don't know what is more hilarious, that Republican underperformed, or that Democrats think they have won a massive victory because they only lost by a little.

The Democrats are like Hitler saying we won a Great Victory because so many of the Allies were killed in the D Day invasion.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Thats reversionistic Bacle it wasn't Bull Moosing that failed it was Teddy splitting the vote with Taft on the national level on the local level voting third party is still a viable choice.

I think the best way to go about this would be to form a sub-party within the part similar to the DSA to advance interest and further avoid those risk.

This sort of what I’m getting at, if not going a little further.

By doing this, you’d have an option not only to escape partisan politics, but also the current paradigm. You could look to make a happy fusion of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Kennedy, in order to build that shining city on the hill.

That and I think a soft embrace of a humble Christianity would do wonders. You could have a true patriotic movement that could reach out to almost anyone, save for the most radical.