Alternate History Ideas and Discussion
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You're smart, so you could travel to Washington, DC and try getting a US government position. But of course such a trip would require money and you'd need somewhere to spend your nights, unless of course you plan to do what Garfield's assassin Charles Guiteau did and stay in boarding houses and then quickly leave in the morning without paying your bills.
Bassoe
Well-known member
All the idiots calling for nuclear war against Russia to defend Ukraine.
Biden's and the West's current strategy is much more rational, IMHO. Inflict the maximum amount of pain onto Russia whilst minizing the risk of a direct West-Russia confrontation.
No,it is worst.entire $ bubble would fall before 2040,and UE would fall before 2030 becouse of retires employes.Our western world is dying - but rest,except KGBstan,would be fine.
I think that's the basic chicken and egg situation. Someone knowledgable and reasonably health could probably make a good life in the 1881 world IF they can get a foothold in terms of a realistic identity and some resources to work with. Plus provided they could get used to down-time living standards. I love my 21stC luxuries too much.
The biggest existential problem is the environmental one - which goes beyond the global warming issue although that's the most clear and significant element.
Economic ones are much easier to resolve but would need political and social change that the existing elites will however oppose.
The danger of Putin going nuclear - at least in mass amounts rather than just revenge burning of Ukraine because he's failing to conquer it - is grossly overrated I think. Even if he's mad enough to sacrifice Russia to his ego a lot of the people who actually control the weapons will have different opinions about them and their families being elements on his funeral pyre.
Buba
A total creep
What he said. Flush toilets and showers are a minimum
What he said. Flush toilets and showers are a minimum
Yes.Living with nature is good only on Discovery channel.And average 19th house for common people would not be much better.
If you can save Garfield's life, you can probably get generously rewarded for it. But Yeah, no Internet, iPads, iPhones, et cetera. You could eventually get to watch some movies if you will live long enough, though:
A Trip to the Moon - Wikipedia
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But becoming a minor US political player would certainly be interesting. The political equivalent of office plankton, if you will!
BTW, off-topic, but in a non-Communist Russia (as in, no Bolshevik coup in 1917), does this strike you as being good Russian equivalents of various US racial and ethnic groups? :
-Slavs/Europeans: White Americans
-Caucasians: Black Americans
-Central Asians: Hispanic Americans
-Native Americans and Pacific Islanders: Siberian and Arctic indigenous peoples, such as the Buryats, Yakuts, Chukchi, et cetera
-Asians: Asians
-Jews: Jews
Looking at Flush_toilet#Pre-modern_flush_toilet_systems some form have been available since ancient times but the modern version seem to have developed in Britain from ~1850 or so. It says a few sections down that the idea spread to the continent then:
As such, if your lucky and gain a wealthy friend you might be in luck. Personally rescuing Garfield's from an assassin would help in gaining you some fame but possibly not much in the way of wealth or influence.
If you can save Garfield's life, you can probably get generously rewarded for it. But Yeah, no Internet, iPads, iPhones, et cetera. You could eventually get to watch some movies if you will live long enough, though:
A Trip to the Moon - Wikipedia
But becoming a minor US political player would certainly be interesting. The political equivalent of office plankton, if you will!
BTW, off-topic, but in a non-Communist Russia (as in, no Bolshevik coup in 1917), does this strike you as being good Russian equivalents of various US racial and ethnic groups? :
-Slavs/Europeans: White Americans
-Caucasians: Black Americans
-Central Asians: Hispanic Americans
-Native Americans and Pacific Islanders: Siberian and Arctic indigenous peoples, such as the Buryats, Yakuts, Chukchi, et cetera
-Asians: Asians
-Jews: Jews
On the last bit I would swap Caucasians and Central Asians. Suspect especially the Christian [albeit not Orthodox in the Armenian case] would be more highly favoured than the Central Asians. Otherwise not a bad ball-pack figure I would say.
Armenians are Orthodox, just Oriental Orthodox rather than Eastern Orthodox like the Eastern Slavs and Georgians are. If so, maybe Muslim Caucasians are a better analogy to Black Americans here. What do you think?
But I'm sufficiently smart (though also with ADHD), so maybe Garfield could help me find some kind of job?
But the real sad thing is that I won't be able to get cryonically preserved after my death in this scenario unless I'll be able to travel back to the present-day afterwards. If I'll be stuck in 1881, then I won't live to see cryonics become a reality. It only became a reality in 1967, a whopping 86 years later, and even then I don't know just how much worse cryonics in 1967 was relative to 2022.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Boys and girls I got a doozie for you all !
I opened this thread with all the stuff I couldn't complete since I was banned thricefold in that degenerate cesspit!
I opened this thread with all the stuff I couldn't complete since I was banned thricefold in that degenerate cesspit!
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
"WI: Alexander Jagiellon lives longer"
Though his marriage to Helena of Moscow which was not exactly well received by his side of the family, since they pressured Helena to convert to Catholicism, they had a happy marriage. However, they didn't sire any children at all in this case.
How would the Grand Duchy of Lithuania develop with Grand Duke Alexander Jagiellon living a bit longer, long enough to sire one or even two children with Helena of Moscow? Something worth noting is that Alexander Jagiellon was the only member of the Jagiellon family left that maintained his ability to speak Lithuanian. His death would result in the Polonization of the Jagiellon family. I could see various things happening had he lived:
- A different kind of Lithuanian Golden Age from the OTL Polish Golden Age would have emerged, albeit with different circumstances. You could have the rise of ATL Lithuanian literature springing up, as well as concurrent possible Ruthenian Golden Age, where various aspects of Ruthenian culture would become prominent.
- Lithuania would still be sandwiched between a Polish state that would have a different Jagiellon ruler, and a Muscovite state that is incapable of expanding westwards.
Though his marriage to Helena of Moscow which was not exactly well received by his side of the family, since they pressured Helena to convert to Catholicism, they had a happy marriage. However, they didn't sire any children at all in this case.
How would the Grand Duchy of Lithuania develop with Grand Duke Alexander Jagiellon living a bit longer, long enough to sire one or even two children with Helena of Moscow? Something worth noting is that Alexander Jagiellon was the only member of the Jagiellon family left that maintained his ability to speak Lithuanian. His death would result in the Polonization of the Jagiellon family. I could see various things happening had he lived:
- A different kind of Lithuanian Golden Age from the OTL Polish Golden Age would have emerged, albeit with different circumstances. You could have the rise of ATL Lithuanian literature springing up, as well as concurrent possible Ruthenian Golden Age, where various aspects of Ruthenian culture would become prominent.
- Lithuania would still be sandwiched between a Polish state that would have a different Jagiellon ruler, and a Muscovite state that is incapable of expanding westwards.
Buba
A total creep
The moment Jan Olbracht died Aleksander took the treasury and ran to Cracow to get elected. This collapsed the Lituanian war effort against Muscovy.
This is what a Lithuanian told me. If true this shows how much he cared for Lithuania. Also - greedy git, he could had passed on the Grand Duchy to Zygmunt. Of course, this can be constructed as "working towards the inevitable Union" ... 🤮
If Aleksander has sons - the end of the PU between P and L might happen
Sandwiched? LOL! Lithuania is like totally a gazzilion times larger than Poland - ten times bigger or summping like that. And according to Polish common wisdom and map makers - extended from Sea to Shining Sea.
Separate Jagiellon line in Vilnius - quite likely that the Grand Duchy goes Prot, producing an interesting Calvinist and Orthodox mix. In OTL the Orthodox magnates who went Prot (and Kafflik a generation later) - were Polonised (or became culturally Polonised very quickly).
This is what a Lithuanian told me. If true this shows how much he cared for Lithuania. Also - greedy git, he could had passed on the Grand Duchy to Zygmunt. Of course, this can be constructed as "working towards the inevitable Union" ... 🤮
If Aleksander has sons - the end of the PU between P and L might happen
Sandwiched? LOL! Lithuania is like totally a gazzilion times larger than Poland - ten times bigger or summping like that. And according to Polish common wisdom and map makers - extended from Sea to Shining Sea.
Separate Jagiellon line in Vilnius - quite likely that the Grand Duchy goes Prot, producing an interesting Calvinist and Orthodox mix. In OTL the Orthodox magnates who went Prot (and Kafflik a generation later) - were Polonised (or became culturally Polonised very quickly).
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TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Wow, Alexander Jagiellon must be a complete idiot to ditch his Grand Duchy, just to get the Polish Crown. Plus he was the last Jagiellon to be fluent in his original mother tongue, Lithuanian.The moment Jan Olbracht died Aleksander took the treasury and ran to Cracow to get elected. This collapsed the Lituanian war effort against Muscovy.
This is what a Lithuanian told me. If true this shows how much he cared for Lithuania. Also - greedy git, he could had passed on the Grand Duchy to Zygmunt. Of course, this can be constructed as "working towards the inevitable Union" ... 🤮
If Aleksander has sons - the end of the PU between P and L might happen
Sandwiched? LOL! Lithuania is like totally a gazzilion times larger than Poland - ten times bigger or summping like that. And according to Polish common wisdom and map makers - extended from Sea to Shining Sea.
Separate Jagiellon line in Vilnius - quite likely that the Grand Duchy goes Prot, producing an interesting Calvinist and Orthodox mix. In OTL the Orthodox magnates who went Prot (and Kafflik a generation later) - were Polonised (or became culturally Polonised very quickly).
I did play a scenario where one of the Jagiellon princesses ended up married to Vasily III of Moscow, though I think this might be more unrealistic than the match between Alex and Helena.
Moscow would not be changed by woman.Well,could be,if that Jagiellon princess murdered her husband and become tsarica,like Katherina later !