TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
No wonder why I think the Anglo-Saxon period would have been a very good example of a society that was not filled with social and class tensions.
Alternate History Ideas and Discussion
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Well the obvious ones for a 19thC option could include
a) A longer 1812 going better for Britain.
b) Possibly the Pig war goes hot.
c) An obvious one would be the Trent Affair similarly leads to war.
d) If the 1895 Venezuelan Crisis led to war between the two powers.
Any of those could lead to longer term tension, especially if Britain won and the US lost territory in the process. [Britain should win the 1st three but would be a lot more difficult in 1895].
In the 20thC you could have tensions on issues, as there were at times but any conflict is likely to be a curb stomp for the US. I do have a scenario with a 1915 PoD which leads to a war in 1929-34 between the US and an Anglo-Japanese alliance which the latter wins but it needs a lot going better for the UK/Japan and worse for the US than OTL.
Buba
A total creep
Oh, yes!
In related news:
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den
Pre-1914 - in your dreams.
When was it restored?
Worth noting that if the US was led by Putin-minded people during WWI, then it might have sided with the CPs rather than with the Entente in order to be able to conquer Canada (and maybe Australia and New Zealand as well for itself). The US would dominate North America while Germany would dominate Europe, and the two of them would be best of friends!
A lot would depend on the details but one of the nicknames of a certain Norman is William the Lucky Bastard. Obviously as both a Brit and English its something I've often looked into.
In the short term at least England would be a lot better off. Without the deaths and destruction then the looting and massive construction bill for Norman castles and cathedrals England would be a hell of a lot richer. Also while its not going to be a paradise you should have a far less class ridden society.
Of course in the longer term just about anything can change for better or worse. For instance without English wealth and manpower would a Norman/Plantagenet state being weaker meaning that France unites earlier? Which could have nasty effects for English independence.
Is Chaz your age?
BTW, the two most famous fictional Chaz'es I know are Chas from Rugrats and Chazz Princeton from Yu-Gi-Oh GX!
A few years younger as he's 59 next birthday while a month back I was 21 for the 3rd time.
And you yourself were born in 1959 and are thus 63, right? Same as my own parents.
Buba
A total creep
Just as well can go the other way. With no existentional threat from the Anglo-Normans France continues fragmented longer, or maybe fragments permanently like the HRE.
Correct. Bloody juvenile.
What's the juvenile reference about?
Anyway, it's quite interesting: You were born back when there was one 1840s-born man still alive:
He's a true case. I have previously found documentation for him on FamilySearch.org, including his 1850 US Census entry, where he is listed as being nine months old and as living together with his parents.
Skallagrim
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The long-term future is hard to predict, but with fewer reasons to get tied into French wars, England may remain more of an "outsider" to the continent, which would make it more plusible that the existing set-up of the state can be maintained. Even in the longer term.
Yes. Anglo-Saxon really does sound quite like continental Saxon to me. (I mean the dialacts of what is generally called "Low Saxon" -- a bullshit term, linguistically, since there is no "High Saxon".)
Trial by one's peers came back in the 12th century, first locally, and then enshrined in the Magna Carta a few decades later. (Of course, it was still undermined by the central government, e.g. via the Star Chamber. So we may argue that the basic legal rights of the Anglo-Saxon period were only truly restored, more or less, in 1689.)
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Correct. Bloody juvenile.
Hey, I want some love, too!
Anyway, good to have you back, Steve. Sorry again about your friend, though going by your post, I guess he’s on the road to recovery now.
Mine, too!
Anyhow, spring-boarding off what @WolfBear posted: ‘Ways To Get More Centenarians And Supercentenarians?’. Again, pretty open-ended, considering how everything from healthier diets to more medical advancements can increase life expectancy in ATLs where they’re more accessible.
Avoid the coronavirus pandemic. In the past, you can avoid the World Wars, Nazism, and Communism. And also if WWI doesn't occur, then perhaps the Spanish flu pandemic will be much less severe due to less travel.
I think that the biggest untapped source of centenarians and supercentenarians that went to waste in real life was among the Eastern Slavs, who suffered extraordinarily severely during the 20th century. Their total population right now should be around 400 million rather than "only" 200 million if it wasn't for the World Wars, Nazism, and Communism. Jews and others heavily suffered as well, but in much smaller numbers. China suffered in terms of large numbers as well, but AFAIK, things such as birth registration, censuses, et cetera were less widespread in China 110+ years ago than they were in Russia 110+ years ago. So, verifying Chinese centenarians and supercentenarians would be harder than verifying Russian ones.
What helps us easily verify supercentenarians in Western and Latin American countries is census records, birth and baptismal records, marriage records, military draft/enlistment registration cards/paperwork for the men, et cetera. There are WWI and WWII draft registration cards for most of the US's young and middle-aged men in the early 20th century, for instance. You can find them on FamilySearch.org. And Japan of course is notable for having its koseki registration system.
Russia had its first census in 1897 and AFAIK birth and/or baptismal records were pretty widespread in Russia 110+ years ago. Serfdom was already long abolished in Russia by then, after all. Too bad that Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus had such a disastrous 20th century.
Russia had its first census in 1897 and AFAIK birth and/or baptismal records were pretty widespread in Russia 110+ years ago. Serfdom was already long abolished in Russia by then, after all. Too bad that Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus had such a disastrous 20th century.
@Zyobot What I'm really curious about is whether any verifiable man born in 1899 had the potential to live to age 111+. There were a couple of Chinese men born in 1899 who claimed to have died at age 111, but I'm skeptical that their ages can be verified, unfortunately:
AFAIK, 1899 was the first year since 1883 not to produce a verifiable male 111+ year-old. There were no male 111th birthdays between Garland Adair's in July 2009 and Tanekichi Onishi's in February 2011. That's a gap of slightly over 1.5 years! I wonder if this would have been different without the World Wars, Nazism, and Communism.
AFAIK, 1899 was the first year since 1883 not to produce a verifiable male 111+ year-old. There were no male 111th birthdays between Garland Adair's in July 2009 and Tanekichi Onishi's in February 2011. That's a gap of slightly over 1.5 years! I wonder if this would have been different without the World Wars, Nazism, and Communism.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
'Richard Nixon Revered Instead Of Reviled'.
Obviously, avoiding getting caught in Watergate (or any of his other scandals) would make a good start, but he'll have to do a whole lot more than that for his name to be spoken in the same breath as Lincoln, FDR, or Reagan IOTL.
Obviously, avoiding getting caught in Watergate (or any of his other scandals) would make a good start, but he'll have to do a whole lot more than that for his name to be spoken in the same breath as Lincoln, FDR, or Reagan IOTL.
Not appoint SCOTUS Justices who voted for Roe v. Wade?
Skallagrim
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His ploy to end the Vietnam War early in his term has to actually work. He used the 'madman' theory, suggesting he was willing to start all out global nuclear war to avoid losing in Vietnam. The USSR figured he was serious, the North Vietnamese didn't. (Or rather: their grasp of geopolitics seems to have been so limited that they simply didn't understand the implications.)
If the USSR gets scared enough, and makes very clear to North Vietnam what the risk is (and that if it happens, the USSR will not back them), then Nixon can get a negotiated peace in 1969. Vietnam will be divided like Korea, and Nixon can call it "peace with honour". The anti-war counterculture evaporates in the face of no more war. The American servicemen can say that their many sacrifices meant something.
Nixon ends up the unifying figure who healed a terrible wound.
We may be reasonably certain that these ATL outcomes would prevent the whole Watergate thing later on, because Nixon would be in a very different position by then.
For bonus points:
1) Appoint conservative Supreme Justices to appease the GOP's right wing. This means that there are conservative Justices taking the place of Burger, Blackmun and Powell. (These three conservative Justices, together with White and Rehnquist, will have a majority to make Roe v. Wade go the other way.)
2) In return for a very conservative Court, the conservative wing will have to agree to no War on Drugs, and addiction to be treated purely as a medical problem, rather than a fundamentally criminal one. That solves a lot of future problems, keeps the future drug cartels from essentially getting state protectionism, and underscores Nixon's reputation as "healing the nation".
3) Any other VP than Spiro Agnew, please.
As nice as all that sounds, the leftoids will do anything they can to smear Nixon and prevent a second election. The question is what they can do.