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Sārthākā

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INDIA'S VIETNAM: THE NEPAL WAR OF 1975 - 1984
"Welcome to the Mountains, Mother******!"



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Though Nepal and India had cordial relations with one another since Indian independence in 1947-48, said cordial relations began to disintegrate after 1962 when Nepal allowed India to pass through Kalapani in the Sino-Indian War, but India never left. Though the issue was left alone except for the annual formal protest, this led to suspicions in Kathmandu and in Beijing regarding India's intentions for Nepal. Nehru was well known for his advocacy for annexing Nepal during the 1948-49 Princely States Cleanup, and King Mahendra of Nepal used the suspicions to bring in major changes for Nepal - in diplomacy, foreign relations, the military, economy, and society. The Terai of Nepal, which was virtually owned by Indian Oligarchs across the border were all nationalized, and the military expanded from a glorified palace guard of 7,000 men to over 40,000 men by 1970. Economically, the nation pushed through new hard reforms that upped the GDP per capita of the nation by over 148%. Chinese and British weaponry (and trainers) were imported to bring the army up to speed with modern warfare. In 1971, after the Bangladesh Liberation War, Nepal went into high alert as the Nepali National Intelligence Department (NID) found claims of Indian encroachment in Nepali border territories. Said high alert lent itself to nothing as tensions were soon defused with the (ironic) intervention of Pakistan in the diplomatic arena. But the 1971 Standoff of Nepal and India led to King Mahendra becoming extremely suspicious of Indira Gandhi and her intentions in Nepal and left volumes of directions in case of war with India for his son and successor King Birendra before dying in 1972. King Birendra hoped that said instructions would never be used. [1]

But events forced his hands. In 1975, after years of subterfuge and internal clashes, Sikkim's existence as an independent nation came to an end, and joined India. Soon after, Indira Gandhi turned her eyes to Nepal, intent on taking the Terai Region of Nepal. Despite the pleas of Kasu Brahmananda Reddy and Yaswantrao Chavan [2], the Indian Prime Minister began to move Indian Army units onto the Nepali border, and starting to fund border rebellions among the indian resident population living on the Nepali side of the border. This spark allowed the Indian army to enter Nepal as Casus Belli beginning the Nepal War. The flatlands of the Terai were rolled up quickly by the Indian Army, however, as soon as they touched the hills, the war became attritional. Mobilization of the Royal Nepali Army and the reserves as well as new volunteers saw over 500,000 men in the Royal Nepalese Army fighting for the nation, and behind Indian lines, Guerillas cropped up fighting against their occupation. The PRC, threatened by the Indian Invasion of Nepal, allowed Nepali Partisans to use century-old yak and caravan trails in Tibet to supply said guerillas, forming the King Mahendra Trail Paths. Internationally even the USSR, which was aligned with India, frowned on this invasion (for the USSR also had excellent relations with Nepal during the time of invasion [3]). But the most outraged of countries was Britain, who was host to the largest Nepali diaspora community outside of South Asia. On the instigation of Britain, the International Volunteer Brigades of Nepal was established, formed up by Nepali Diaspora members and pro-Nepali westerner volunteers fighting for Nepal. In India itself, the Nepali Diaspora reacted violently to the invasion of their 'motherland'. Indian Gurkhas refused to fight and mutinied, whilst Assamese Nepalese openly supported the Assamese separatist groups. Sikkimese Nepalese launched a passive resistance campaign as well, unwilling to recognize Sikkim's annexation.

By the 1980s, it had become clear that the war had devolved into stalemate. Whilst the Indian Army had the numbers, the Nepalese had the home terrain advantage, guerilla tactics and foreign support. The losses in Nepal was becoming intolerable, and the Indian Congress's grip on power in the Indian political arena was slowly crashing down as more and more body bags came home from Nepal. In 1983, Indira Gandhi was assassinated by a Khalistani Nationalist crying 'Freedom for Khalistan & Nepal!' before the assailant killed himself after the deed. Gandhi's successor, Shankkarao Chavan opened a dialogue in 1984 through Bangladesh, culminating in the 1984 Delhi Peace Accords wherein India pledged to withdraw its army by the end of August, 1984 and play $10.6 Billion to Nepal as reconstruction payment. The Nepal War proved costly in human lives - with ~92,000 Indians killed & captured in Nepal, and a further ~400,000 wounded in the war. Nepal suffered even more - with around ~300,000 to ~450,000 military deaths and captured (total deaths with civilian populace is estimated to be ~1.1 million).

As India withdrew from Nepal in August 1984, Nepal settled down to rebuild, whilst India stared at a political and economic crisis coming in the future.......

[1] - All things in this paragraph are true.
[2] - The Point of Divergence so to speak.
[3] - True Historically.
[*] - sources are: India Nepal Relations: Historical, Cultural and Political Perspectives by Sanasam Sandhyarni Devi, India and Nepal: A Changing Relationship by S. D. Muni, India China Nepal: Decoding Trilaterism by Pramod Jaiswal, India-Nepal Relations: 1960-91 by Sutapa Sarkar, Politics of Geo-politics: Continuity and Change in India-Nepal Relations by Lok Raj Baral. Intended to make this scenario as realistic as possible.

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gral

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Thoughts and Comments?

I wonder how deep in the mud is the image of the Congress Party, and how screwed up is Nepal. 1.1 million people is, at the time, about 1 out of every 12 Nepalis dead.

Also, I'm a bit surprised Pakistan didn't go 'payback for 1973' time here.
 

WolfBear

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I wonder how deep in the mud is the image of the Congress Party, and how screwed up is Nepal. 1.1 million people is, at the time, about 1 out of every 12 Nepalis dead.

Also, I'm a bit surprised Pakistan didn't go 'payback for 1973' time here.

Payback for 1971, no?
 

WolfBear

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Wouldn't declare war. Pakistan had gone into a war rather recently with India., They would need a moment to recuperate.

Makes perfect sense, especially considering that they lost half of their population in the 1971 war with India due to Bangladesh's successful secession from Pakistan.
 

Basileus_Komnenos

Imperator Romanorum Βασιλεύς των Ρωμαίων
I was playing CKIII and watched in horror as Byzantium fell to the Seljuks in 1082. Obviously they couldn't seize everything, but watching a 12k army topple Constantinople was, well, eye opening. I threw this together quickly, and plan to make a legit map of it later.
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The Seljuks here have essentially become the Neo-Acheamanids
 

Sārthākā

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I wonder how deep in the mud is the image of the Congress Party, and how screwed up is Nepal. 1.1 million people is, at the time, about 1 out of every 12 Nepalis dead.
1 in 15/16 actually, but still the number is still quite grim. In the brief TL I wrote regarding the topic, the Congress Party collapsed in India, and the Northern 7 Sister States broke away too during the political crisis in the aftermath with Sikkim re-asserting independence.
 

Sārthākā

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Historically, Isabella I during her early years pursued a surprisingly pro-Moorish policy. The growing joint Moorish-Castillian disdain for Moroccan & Berber ambitions in Iberia had united the two old foes diplomatically from 1474 - 1478, especially considering Granada supported Isabella in the War of Castillian Succession. In 1477, Isabella I made the proposal that Granada become a part of Castille, as an official autonomous 'Duchy', with the Emirs of Granada holding the hereditary right of the Dukedom and that islam would be legal within the autonomous duchy. Historically, this proposal was refused with a fiery reply sent to Isabella from Granada. But what if against all expectations, Emir Abu'l-Hasan Ali of Granada accepted this generous offer in the face of inevitability? In 1480, Granada joins the royal union of Castille-Aragon as an autonomous region, and was *mostly* happy to side with the growing empire until the early 1800s when Napoleon came knocking. The utter shambolic state of the Spanish military meant that Granada fell under French authority without a fight. Taking matters into his own hands, Emir Muhammad XVII revolted against French rule, and with aid from the British aided Wellington in the Peninsular War. After said war however, Emir Muhammad XVII refused to return to Spanish rule, and from 1814 - 1823, the 9 year long Granadan War of Independence took place, which saw Granada gain full independence from the Spaniards, cementing its modern history. It took a minor role in the Rae for Africa, taking the small strip of northern Moroccan territory. Today it is a mildly prosperous nation and is a part of the European Union.
 

VictortheMonarch

Victor the Crusader
in 1066 a mighty conqueror would stake his claim for the history books. Mutapa Jitenra, a 33 year old man who had traveled as far as to the Byzantine court and served faithfully to the Doukas Dynasty had returned to his native Bharata to put his name in the History books. With fifty thousand mercenaries he besieged the native kingdoms of south Bharata and formed a mighty empire that would last far longer than even the Byzantines themselves. With him he brought numerous Europeans and something far more precious - Orthodoxy.

As time would go on, his descendants would grow his Empire, spreading the Orthodox faith and beginning a Maritime Empire that would control the Indian ocean until what would become known as the Decades of Despair, where European traders would send the Indian kingdoms economy into a downward spiral, up until it was conquered by the East India Company in 1809, there it would remain as apart of the British Raj, and later the Republic of India.

After the end of the British Raj many laws would be put in place to segregate the 'Jitendrans' from other Indians, in manner similar to Apartheid Africa or the Jim Crow South. It would reach it's head in 1967, when Indira Gandhi would order mass purges of Jitendrans, and any who followed the Orthodox faith, sparking the Indian Civil War, which would last three Decades, culminating in the Republic of Jitendra being freed. Economically speaking it is a poor nation, but it's GDP has been slowly rising with time.
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If you will excuse me, I've got to go to bed... tbh I wanna see what ya'll think up, wouldn't be surprised if some madlad makes a Hindu Spain or some shit XD.
 

WolfBear

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Historically, Isabella I during her early years pursued a surprisingly pro-Moorish policy. The growing joint Moorish-Castillian disdain for Moroccan & Berber ambitions in Iberia had united the two old foes diplomatically from 1474 - 1478, especially considering Granada supported Isabella in the War of Castillian Succession. In 1477, Isabella I made the proposal that Granada become a part of Castille, as an official autonomous 'Duchy', with the Emirs of Granada holding the hereditary right of the Dukedom and that islam would be legal within the autonomous duchy. Historically, this proposal was refused with a fiery reply sent to Isabella from Granada. But what if against all expectations, Emir Abu'l-Hasan Ali of Granada accepted this generous offer in the face of inevitability? In 1480, Granada joins the royal union of Castille-Aragon as an autonomous region, and was *mostly* happy to side with the growing empire until the early 1800s when Napoleon came knocking. The utter shambolic state of the Spanish military meant that Granada fell under French authority without a fight. Taking matters into his own hands, Emir Muhammad XVII revolted against French rule, and with aid from the British aided Wellington in the Peninsular War. After said war however, Emir Muhammad XVII refused to return to Spanish rule, and from 1814 - 1823, the 9 year long Granadan War of Independence took place, which saw Granada gain full independence from the Spaniards, cementing its modern history. It took a minor role in the Rae for Africa, taking the small strip of northern Moroccan territory. Today it is a mildly prosperous nation and is a part of the European Union.

Is Grenada right now as secular as, say, Albania or Kazakhstan are?
 

Sārthākā

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The Indian Civil War

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A Followup of this post.

The Nepali War brought several issues in India back to the surface. The economy started to move forward at the pace of a snail, and internal discontent grew. By 1979, Sikkim was in a state of open revolt, as many people in Sikkim, especially the Ethnic Nepalese and Ethnic Tibetans believed the vote rigged in 1975. Fueled by the invasion of Nepal, the Sikkimese were now fighting for their own freedom as well through the means of insurgency. In 1982, the Communist Party of India met in secret in Hyderabad during the infamous 1982 Conference, and called for the end of the war, and new elections, deeming the war in Nepal to be an imperialistic war. This coupled with other rising ethnic tensions forced Indira Gandhi to declare a state of total emergency, de-facto giving herself dictatorial powers. The Storming of the Amritsar Golden Temple, which was host to Sikh nationalists in 1983 to suppress dissent created another major uproar in Punjab, and along with growing economic discontinent, a large scale guerilla war erupted in Punjab as well, disrupting India's food supply. With communist party members being arrested left, right and center, and all the pre-requisite situation in place, in 1983, the Communists of India decided to declare for revolution, and starting to arm guerillas and fighters against the government, allying itself with the Indian opposition.

In 1984, India withdrew from Nepal after 9 years of war, and was now faced with a tough choice to bring internal malcontents into control. This failed as PM Chavan was ousted from power due to his 'meek' surrender of $10 billion to the Nepalese through a Vote of No Confidence, elevating the hardline Sanjay Gandhi to the post of Prime Minister. Sanjay Gandhi's approach was to crush the dissenting voices, declare a new emergency to bring things back into order before easing things out in the future. This approach did not sit well, and by this point, Punjab, Sikkim, and many parts of India were in open revolt against New Delhi's government. Taking advantage of the chaos unfolding in India, the separatists in Assam rose up as well, and in 1985 the Alliance of the other northeastern liberation groups was signed bringing the Indian Civil War to bear by early 1985. Other combatants entered the fray as well, as Pakistan began to occupy Kashmir and China occupied Arunachal Pradesh. fearing for the situation, in 1987, a military coup led by General Ved Prakash Malik ousted the civilian government and brought in a military junta in India. Under Malik's governance, the Tamils, Nepalese Separatists and Communists were finally defeated in 1993. In 1993 the Thimpu Accords were signed giving independence to Sikkim, Assam, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Tripura, Manipur and Khalistan. The Line of Control was formally redrawn in favor of Pakistan and China, and Tamils and Nepalese within India gained separate special ethnic rights.

India's military junta and dictatorship continued continued until the 2002 Indian Lotus Revolution which overthrew military rule after 15 years under it and brought back civilian control.

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stevep

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That sounds bloody and very, very disruptive, especially with that level of refugees. :eek: A lot would depend on how the junta rules and also how stable the democratic government is after 2002 but Indian development is likely to be set back and could be seriously retarded. Not sure some of those small states, especially in the NE and Khalistan are going to be economically viable, let alone avoiding pressure from bigger neighbours - China and Pakistan respectively - to become little more than puppets.
 

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