Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

In Bakhmut, apparently you can still shoot music videos...



Meanwhile in Belarus:



Meanwhile in Wagner:



Oh the sledgehammer, what a neat reference.

And meanwhile in Moscow, Rest in Peace.

 

[Tiamat]

It's kinda sad that Russians have developed into being complete and utter sheep for their leaders. A lot of the conscripts are depressed and drinking vodka, complaining to their loved ones... and they're not doing anything else.

A few have basically either gone AWOL or outright fragged their CO's, but the majority are still doing what they're told, even when they know it's certain death.

They're fucking sheep.

One tiny, tiny part of me feels bad for them because most don't want to be there, and they're literally being fed into a grinder. I've heard the intercepted recordings between conscripts and loved ones back in Russia proper, and they just want to go home. They hate Putin. They hate the military. Yet they're still there, like lambs to the slaughter.

Then the rest of me remembers what a lot of these conscripts and soldiers have done. Their atrocities. Their looting. Their raping and pillaging like fucking savages. Women and children in mass graves. Children being abducted to be "Russianized" in some remote shithole, and basically "vanished" if they want to go home and not accepting (proverbial) "glorious Russian cock down throat".

They're acting exactly like the Nazis did, right down to burning books, erasing culture, and trying to "Germanify" Polish kids that had "Aryan blood" in them (blue eyes, blond/blonde hair, et cetera).

And whatever sympathy I had is squashed.

I'm not the greatest fan of Freidrich Nietszche, but his quote about "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you," Does feel a bit appropriate here.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

They're fucking sheep.

It's no accident that God compares us to sheep.

 

[Rukatin]

It's funny to me how Putin's Russia goes into Ukraine with claims of 'denazification' and are blind to their own brand of fasicm. How long till those books are just straight up tossed onto a bonfire?

 

[Bacle]

I'm not the greatest fan of Freidrich Nietszche, but his quote about "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you," Does feel a bit appropriate here.

The problem is the Russians have no such compunctions or literary world view, as a culture.

The Abyss doesn't scare Russians, because they already live in it.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I have tremendous empathy for the poor sods Putin has sent to die right now. Remember, these chaps have only turned up in the last few months, well after most of the atrocities have been committed. If anything (to use the Nazi analogy) these are more the hapless Volksturm sent to be crushed beneath Soviet armour in 1945, than the SS or Wehrmacht.

And Russian culture is profoundly autocratic and hierarchical. Disobedience is difficult, even if you wanted to. And that’s without being threatened with prison and God knows what else to make you go and die for Putin’s ego.

And we’re not ones to judge. The whole Covid disaster ought to tell us just how power works and that it is hard to defy it.

TL;DR, remember the human. Even if he reeks of vodka and misery…

 

[King Arts]

It's kinda sad that Russians have developed into being complete and utter sheep for their leaders. A lot of the conscripts are depressed and drinking vodka, complaining to their loved ones... and they're not doing anything else.

A few have basically either gone AWOL or outright fragged their CO's, but the majority are still doing what they're told, even when they know it's certain death.

They're fucking sheep.

One tiny, tiny part of me feels bad for them because most don't want to be there, and they're literally being fed into a grinder. I've heard the intercepted recordings between conscripts and loved ones back in Russia proper, and they just want to go home. They hate Putin. They hate the military. Yet they're still there, like lambs to the slaughter.

Then the rest of me remembers what a lot of these conscripts and soldiers have done. Their atrocities. Their looting. Their raping and pillaging like fucking savages. Women and children in mass graves. Children being abducted to be "Russianized" in some remote shithole, and basically "vanished" if they want to go home and not accepting (proverbial) "glorious Russian cock down throat".

They're acting exactly like the Nazis did, right down to burning books, erasing culture, and trying to "Germanify" Polish kids that had "Aryan blood" in them (blue eyes, blond/blonde hair, et cetera).

And whatever sympathy I had is squashed.

I mean like Lord Soverign says those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Most westerners are also sheep. I mean no one is stopping stolen elections, or high immigration of people that are incompatible with the local values, or hell even tranny groomers going after kids. And the punishments in the west are far less severe than in Russia. You won't get disappeared as much or set to a Gulag work camp in Siberia.

 

[Jormungandr]

I mean like Lord Soverign says those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Most westerners are also sheep. I mean no one is stopping stolen elections, or high immigration of people that are incompatible with the local values, or hell even tranny groomers going after kids. And the punishments in the west are far less severe than in Russia. You won't get disappeared as much or set to a Gulag work camp in Siberia.

As much as I want to disagree, I can't because it's true. sigh Especially the fucking groomers.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I mean like Lord Soverign says those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Most westerners are also sheep. I mean no one is stopping stolen elections, or high immigration of people that are incompatible with the local values, or hell even tranny groomers going after kids. And the punishments in the west are far less severe than in Russia. You won't get disappeared as much or set to a Gulag work camp in Siberia.

I think the issue lies with the term “sheep.”

”Follower” I think is more accurate, and there’s no shame in that. We are evolved to be a hierarchical species so need leadership to basically get anything done. When that leadership isn’t provided, it doesn’t matter how unhappy people are with the current situation as, without a general to lead them, the soldiers can’t win the battle.

Is the flock at fault for being eaten by wolves, or the shepherd?

 

[King Arts]

I think the issue lies with the term “sheep.”

”Follower” I think is more accurate, and there’s no shame in that. We are evolved to be a hierarchical species so need leadership to basically get anything done. When that leadership isn’t provided, it doesn’t matter how unhappy people are with the current situation as, without a general to lead them, the soldiers can’t win the battle.

Is the flock at fault for being eaten by wolves, or the shepherd?

The shepherd would be at fault. For the general actions.

Though for the specefic wrong doings like the soldiers that are raping or killing civillians that are not resisting that is the fault of those individual soldiers but not all the soldiers in the army.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Bacle]

 

[lloyd007]

For reference, Flamu is a Finn and the most successful streamer of World of Warships.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The fact so many Bots on Twitter, even from places like Russia, China and Iran, are Free Thinking Christian Conservatives with Beautiful Families makes me hopeful for our increasingly automated future. ❤️

 

[Carrot of Truth]

To be fair to the bots as a language Finnish is absolutely incomprehensible gibberish.

 

[Buba]

1 - Does Russia have the forces to expand the war into Moldova?
2 - besides bad move because evul!, I agree with @LordsFire that PR wise it is bad. Like baaad! Ukraine is "old news", Moldova would be "new news".

 

[Tiamat]

This is a very stupid game for Putin to be playing right now.

As long as the war is 'just' in Ukraine, a lot of people can convince themselves that the war is 'over there,' contained in some 'other place' that they don't have to worry about touching them.

Pushing it out to the far side of Ukraine is going to make a lot of people, especially in that part of Europe, get a hard wake-up call that no, this isn't about Ukraine 'really being part of Russia' or some BS like that. It's flat expansionism.

It also would create a new wave of public awareness about the war, making it the new big thing in the news all over again, and that's the last thing the Russians need.

True…but Putin and his cronies are employing a more unique sense of “logic”, thus one has to look at it from their perspective to see what exactly is going on…and taking Moldova means more than jsut expanding Russias borders. It means making it theoretically more difficult to ships arms and amunition to Ukraine.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Bruh Russia doesn't have the manpower, what are they doing. Are their Generals some shitty RTS players that think they can shit out infantry out of thin air?????


Every male that dies further diminishes the workforce and ability to sustain Russia's population. Their Generals got to be the stupidest mother fuckers in existence, they make Biden look like Albert Einstein.

 

[Buba]

True…but Putin and his cronies are employing a more unique sense of “logic”, thus one has to look at it from their perspective to see what exactly is going on…and taking Moldova means more than jsut expanding Russias borders. It means making it theoretically more difficult to ships arms and amunition to Ukraine.

It would be ironic if this leads to elimination of Transnistria or GASP! Romanian-Moldavian unification.
So far Putin's Class A statesmanship is "not so good" as Sweden and Finland are now on the brink of NATO membership.

 

[Sailor.X]

True…but Putin and his cronies are employing a more unique sense of “logic”, thus one has to look at it from their perspective to see what exactly is going on…and taking Moldova means more than jsut expanding Russias borders. It means making it theoretically more difficult to ships arms and amunition to Ukraine.

Obligatory Cobra reference that fits.