Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Jormungandr]

Huh, so the Seppie movements are already firing up: Russia must have bled more into the water than we all thought.

Also, I honestly thought it'd take another few months/years, minimum, and I'd have thought Chechnya would've been the first, given history and all.

We could be looking at the first pebble falling from the inevitable avalanche, lads. Russia's collapsing.

Edit: Also, "Bakhmut will fall any day now." cough

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Huh, so the Seppie movements are already firing up: Russia must have bled more into the water than we all thought.

Also, I honestly thought it'd take another few months/years, minimum, and I'd have thought Chechnya would've been the first, given history and all.

We could be looking at the first pebble falling from the inevitable avalanche, lads. Russia's collapsing.

Edit: Also, "Bakhmut will fall any day now." cough

It could be said that Ukraine is something of a seppie movement as well. A historical part of the Russian Empire, after a century or more of abuse, decides it’s had enough of Moscow and who can blame it?

We do appear to be looking at the beginning of the end of Russia as we know it.

 

[Zachowon]

Good, Good

 

[Zachowon]

50 IFV ? i doubt it.It not change much.

This isn't world War 2.
In modern war even 50 can make a diffrence.
Especially if they are very modern with thermals and everything.
Because if I see you before you see me,ni win 9/10 times

 

[Buba]

Good, Good

I cannot unhear Palpatine saying this ...

 

[Marduk]

50 IFV ? i doubt it.It not change much.

50 BMPs, you would be right. Those are CV90's though, one of best models on the market. In many ways they are more dangerous than an old MBT.

 

[ATP]

50 BMPs, you would be right. Those are CV90's though, one of best models on the market. In many ways they are more dangerous than an old MBT.

I hope you are right.But,USA still do not support Ukraine fully,and would sell them to Moscov if putin agreed to deal with them.
Democrats have in their genes love for Moscov and urge to sell,or gave for free,as much as possible to them.

 

[Zachowon]

I hope you are right.But,USA still do not support Ukraine fully,and would sell them to Moscov if putin agreed to deal with them.
Democrats have in their genes love for Moscov and urge to sell,or gave for free,as much as possible to them.

We sent them the biggest tank killer of the gulf war

 

[ATP]

We sent them the biggest tank killer of the gulf war

If you are talking about Javelins,then part of them must be destroyed anyway becouse of old age.Sending old ammo and missiles helped you,not Uraine,becouse you do not must pay for scrapping it.

 

[ATP]

It could be said that Ukraine is something of a seppie movement as well. A historical part of the Russian Empire, after a century or more of abuse, decides it’s had enough of Moscow and who can blame it?

We do appear to be looking at the beginning of the end of Russia as we know it.

Historical part of polish Empire,but you are right.And,it was made by austrians in end of 19th century to counter both poles and Russia.
They even have Habsburg for future Ukraine King.
Well,A-H is long gone,Poland is weak,Moscow too,but Ukraine could become local power.Great career for A-H invention.

 

[Bacle]

If you are talking about Javelins,then part of them must be destroyed anyway becouse of old age.Sending old ammo and missiles helped you,not Uraine,becouse you do not must pay for scrapping it.

No matter what anyone says, you are convinced that a deal was struck/attempted to be struck, and that any issues that slow aid down in any way are just excuses for continuing to attempt to sell Kyiv to Moscow.

There is literally no convincing you that DC is not trying to sell Ukraine to Moscow, is there?

 

[Zachowon]

If you are talking about Javelins,then part of them must be destroyed anyway becouse of old age.Sending old ammo and missiles helped you,not Uraine,becouse you do not must pay for scrapping it.

Bradleys

 

[Jormungandr]

Historical part of polish Empire,but you are right.And,it was made by austrians in end of 19th century to counter both poles and Russia.
They even have Habsburg for future Ukraine King.
Well,A-H is long gone,Poland is weak,Moscow too,but Ukraine could become local power.Great career for A-H invention.

IIRC Kiev was the original "Russian" (more like proto-Russian) state, right? But then they basically all moved north and founded Moscow and Russia's modern predecessors.

So, it's more like Russia came from what was to eventually to become Ukraine.

 

[ATP]

No matter what anyone says, you are convinced that a deal was struck/attempted to be struck, and that any issues that slow aid down in any way are just excuses for continuing to attempt to sell Kyiv to Moscow.

There is literally no convincing you that DC is not trying to sell Ukraine to Moscow, is there?

Worlds are wind.
I simply see what USA delivered.
First they want Zelensky to run.Then delivered old AT and AA missiles.Then old APC and 155 howitzers.Then modern Mimars - but only 18.Then 98 Bradleys and 31 Abrams.

If they want Ukraine victory ,they would deliver Himars and Abrams from the beginning of war.

And,just watch again Biden speak from 19.02.2022 - he practically begged putin for attacking only part of Uraine,and promised doing notching in that case.

Luckily for Europe,putin decided to invade al,Zelensky do not run,and USA was made to deliver some real weapons.
All thanks to kgb colonel stupidity,not USA goodwill.

Bradleys

All 98 of them.Year after war started.If USA wonted Ukraine victory,1000 Bradleys and Abrams would be arleady there.

 

[Zachowon]

Worlds are wind.
I simply see what USA delivered.
First they want Zelensky to run.Then delivered old AT and AA missiles.Then old APC and 155 howitzers.Then modern Mimars - but only 18.Then 98 Bradleys and 31 Abrams.

If they want Ukraine victory ,they would deliver Himars and Abrams from the beginning of war.

And,just watch again Biden speak from 19.02.2022 - he practically begged putin for attacking only part of Uraine,and promised doing notching in that case.

Luckily for Europe,putin decided to invade al,Zelensky do not run,and USA was made to deliver some real weapons.
All thanks to kgb colonel stupidity,not USA goodwill.


All 98 of them.Year after war started.If USA wonted Ukraine victory,1000 Bradleys and Abrams would be arleady there.

Do you know how many crew members it would take to train for that many?
It would literally be taking majority of Ukraine servive members in akrge swathes our of the fight

 

[ATP]

IIRC Kiev was the original "Russian" (more like proto-Russian) state, right? But then they basically all moved north and founded Moscow and Russia's modern predecessors.

So, it's more like Russia came from what was to eventually to become Ukraine.

Well,Moscov was small town,till they agree to be mongol sidekicks.They take other russian lands in mongol name.
Basically,traitors who become rulers.

Russian lands belonged to Lithuania and Great Nowogrod,which moscov genocided.

 

[ATP]

Do you know how many crew members it would take to train for that many?
It would literally be taking majority of Ukraine servive members in akrge swathes our of the fight

They had 300.000 and mobilized 800.000 more.They could spare enough for training...IF USA send them.
But Democrats want deal with Moscov,as always.Thanks God for colonel Putin - without his stupidity,deal would be arleady struck,and Europe given to KGB.

 

[Zachowon]

They had 300.000 and mobilized 800.000 more.They could spare enough for training...IF USA send them.
But Democrats want deal with Moscov,as always.Thanks God for colonel Putin - without his stupidity,deal would be arleady struck,and Europe given to KGB.

Let's put it this way.
1000 bradleys would be more then they have gotten from fucking Russia in terms kf captured equipment.
It would also put a heavy strain on logistics for the Ukrainians.

 

[lloyd007]

Worlds are wind.
I simply see what USA delivered.
First they want Zelensky to run.Then delivered old AT and AA missiles.Then old APC and 155 howitzers.Then modern Mimars - but only 18.Then 98 Bradleys and 31 Abrams.

If they want Ukraine victory ,they would deliver Himars and Abrams from the beginning of war.

And,just watch again Biden speak from 19.02.2022 - he practically begged putin for attacking only part of Uraine,and promised doing notching in that case.

Luckily for Europe,putin decided to invade al,Zelensky do not run,and USA was made to deliver some real weapons.
All thanks to kgb colonel stupidity,not USA goodwill.

All 98 of them.Year after war started.If USA wonted Ukraine victory,1000 Bradleys and Abrams would be arleady there.

Ukraine =/= USA
They aren't part of the EU.
They aren't part of NATO.
Most all of their equipment was Soviet built or derived, incompatibilities abound.
Up until 2014 and even beyond they were known as being the most politically corrupt country in Europe... giving them US/NATO stuff only for it to be sold to the highest bidder and/or put in the hands of morons who commit MH17 2.0 and film themselves looting the corpses is as much a political non starter as I've typed it.

And on the flipside.
Russia Stronk! was at least acknowledged as a possible thing by pretty much everyone. It wasn't until they withdrew from the northern front that it was certain the 40 mile traffic jam to Kyiv was just a clusterfck rather than a dagger in the heart.
Playing escalation chicken with the country that has the most nukes on paper is very dangerous.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Also, the idea of giving Ukraine three thousand Bradleys is utterly ridiculous. That's almost half of the total production of those *ever* made, it's *more* than the US has in its entire warehoused inactive reserve. Ukraine isn't in a position to *use* that many even if we were willing to give them everything, and the idea that the US somehow owes it to them is beyond entitled.