Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Bacle]

Worlds are wind.
I simply see what USA delivered.
First they want Zelensky to run.Then delivered old AT and AA missiles.Then old APC and 155 howitzers.Then modern Mimars - but only 18.Then 98 Bradleys and 31 Abrams.

If they want Ukraine victory ,they would deliver Himars and Abrams from the beginning of war.

And,just watch again Biden speak from 19.02.2022 - he practically begged putin for attacking only part of Uraine,and promised doing notching in that case.

Luckily for Europe,putin decided to invade al,Zelensky do not run,and USA was made to deliver some real weapons.
All thanks to kgb colonel stupidity,not USA goodwill.

You do realize the US needs to hold on to some of our tanks, and I have already explained the logistics hold-ups.

Do just you view the US doing anything less than whole sale sending every bit of kit we have to Ukraine as "selling Kyiv to Putin", because you just seem to ignore the logistical and production realities, and seem to think the US can just summon up what ever amount of military equipment we have to any part of the world with the snap of our fingers?

Moving shit takes time, inspecting shit takes time, training crews to the point they can competently use what we give them takes time, and we cannot send everything we have to Ukraine if we still want to meet our commitments elsewhere.

 

[ATP]

Let's put it this way.
1000 bradleys would be more then they have gotten from fucking Russia in terms kf captured equipment.
It would also put a heavy strain on logistics for the Ukrainians.

Yes,but they would win.
And,sorry for being unclear,i thought about 500 Abrams and 500 Bradleys.

But,USA want deal with Moscov,not defeat them.Costly mistake,Napoleon lost his Empire that way.

You do realize the US needs to hold on to some of our tanks, and I have already explained the logistics hold-ups.

Do just you view the US doing anything less than whole sale sending every bit of kit we have to Ukraine as "selling Kyiv to Putin", because you just seem to ignore the logistical and production realities, and seem to think the US can just summon up what ever amount of military equipment we have to any part of the world with the snap of our fingers?

Moving shit takes time, inspecting shit takes time, training crews to the point they can competently use what we give them takes time, and we cannot send everything we have to Ukraine if we still want to meet our commitments elsewhere.

USA have about 6000 tanks.They could send 500 to Ukraine.
And Ukraine have more then million soldiers.Enough to take care of 500 new tanks and another 500 IFV.

Yet they send 31 tanks and 98 IFV after 15 months of war.They do not want Ukraine victory,but Moscov attention.

Luckily for us,you need two for making deal - and Putin heroically is refusing to made deal with USA over Ukraine corpse.
What he is,polish agent ?

 

[Bacle]

USA have about 6000 tanks.They could send 500 to Ukraine.

Where are you getting the 6k number?

And Ukraine have more then million soldiers.Enough to take care of 500 new tanks and another 500 IFV.

Training people up to take care of those tanks and IFVs, and building up the logistics for taking care of them, is not something that can be done with the snap of anyone's fingers.

You keep treating this like logistics and prep don't matter.

Yet they send 31 tanks and 98 IFV after 15 months of war.They do not want Ukraine victory,but Moscov attention.

You seem to forget all the other equipment going to Ukraine, much of which is old soviet stuff that doesn't require retraining crews or maintainers to deal with it.

US stuff is not going to be be a drop-in replacement for that gear, and training people who are used to old soviet gear on new stuff takes time.

Not to mention any Abrams tank being sent to Ukraine is being re-engined to use a diesel engine instead of a turbine, because the maintainers in Ukraine are used to fixing diesels far more than turbines.

Luckily for us,you need two for making deal - and Putin heroically is refusing to made deal with USA over Ukraine corpse.
What he is,polish agent ?

No, Putin is just surrounded by yes-men and people who won't let bad news up the chain usually, lest they get blamed for it happening, so he had a misguided/misinformed notion of what was going on in Ukraine when he chose to invade and try to make a push on Kyiv.

Or have you forgotten the FSB purges a couple months into the war?

 

[Husky_Khan]

It was a more innocent time... Four years ago.

 

[Jormungandr]

It was a more innocent time... Four years ago.

That's pretty sad, to be honest.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Estimates of casualties of the Russian Separatists in the ongoing fighting in the Bilhorad People's Republic range from two dead as of an hour ago to sixty to eighty plus dead as of yesterday according to Russian sources.





AFAIK these Russian Legions are like a couple hundred troops at most so the latter level of losses should be quite impactful.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If those losses are anywhere close to true. Let's just say that I'm not trusting Russia for when it comes to truthful reporting about their combat performance.

 

[lloyd007]

If those losses are anywhere close to true. Let's just say that I'm not trusting Russia for when it comes to truthful reporting about their combat performance.

Aside from Oryx putting a somewhat well confirmed lower bounds number on destroyed equipment (which says little on human casualties since even the dramatic tank turret tosses could be abandoned tanks being demolished and etc.) and the miniscule admitted killed / wounded by the Russian / Ukrainian MOD's... none of the numbers are in any way trustworthy since both sides have every reason to fudge downward for their losses, the sky's the limit for the enemy's (200k+ Russians KILLED according to Kyiv... assured to me by the ukraine subreddit that that claim is totally conservative ) and outside of scrupulous and thorough postwar audits that let's be honest won't be conducted, the running tallies with names put to the numbers can never be known.

 

[Jormungandr]

Estimates of casualties of the Russian Separatists in the ongoing fighting in the Bilhorad People's Republic range from two dead as of an hour ago to sixty to eighty plus dead as of yesterday according to Russian sources.





AFAIK these Russian Legions are like a couple hundred troops at most so the latter level of losses should be quite impactful.

The guy in the second tweet lost me as having any sort of authenticity as soon as he mentioned Bakhmut (and the Russian flag in his handle didn't help things, lol).

Reminder: "Bakhmut will fall any day now."

 

[Bacle]

 

[Husky_Khan]

Apparently Easterlings have Hobbits as well.



Bout as mean as their larger neighbors it seems.

Also... Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of Roscosmos who threatened to drop the International Space Station on the West and who got some shrapnel in his butt when a Ukrainian Caesar SPG shell reportedly struck the building in Donetsk where he was having his birthday party, decided to do some more promotional work.



This Russian friendly fire... good thing for Russia he didn't carry out his threat of de-orbiting a 500 ton space station, who knows where it could've landed. 😬

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The only thing missing are the bones of the blessed fallen!

 

[Jormungandr]

...Russia is just embarrassing itself by this point.

Apparently Easterlings have Hobbits as well.



Bout as mean as their larger neighbors it seems.

Also... Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of Roscosmos who threatened to drop the International Space Station on the West and who got some shrapnel in his butt when a Ukrainian Caesar SPG shell reportedly struck the building in Donetsk where he was having his birthday party, decided to do some more promotional work.



This Russian friendly fire... good thing for Russia he didn't carry out his threat of de-orbiting a 500 ton space station, who knows where it could've landed. 😬

Unless that guy is moonlighting as that villain from Resident Evil 4, he's about as threatening as a drunk koala.

 

[ATP]

...Russia is just embarrassing itself by this point.

Unless that guy is moonlighting as that villain from Resident Evil 4, he's about as threatening as a drunk koala.

You mean,those drop bears who would eat your brain if you go into australian forest ?

 

[Jormungandr]

You mean,those drop bears who would eat your brain if you go into australian forest ?

Fair point.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I reiterate that this entire idea that the United States is morally required to gut its own military reseerves to gift Ukraine with lavish support is ludicrously entitled.

 

[Buba]

I reiterate that this entire idea that the United States is morally required to gut its own military reseerves to gift Ukraine with lavish support is ludicrously entitled.

Izrael?

 

[DarthOne]

Izrael?

Not to the same level as far as I know. Though as far as I’m concerned the USA shouldn’t be giving away money or military supplies to any nation.

 

[lloyd007]

Izrael?

Israel has basically been the US MIC's major field testers since at least Desert Storm if not earlier. There was a reason why there were no peeps out of Congress any time the Pallys got rowdy and thus Iron Dome needed replenishment...

Ukraine is seeing the results of that partnership since they've run low / out of their S-300 and etc. stockpiles and had them replaced / reinforced by Patriot missiles that, if the reports are true, can intercept Kinzhals and have led to several 100% intercept rate days against both drones and missiles.

 

[Marduk]

I reiterate that this entire idea that the United States is morally required to gut its own military reseerves to gift Ukraine with lavish support is ludicrously entitled.

Is anyone really arguing that?

The main argument for dumping copious amounts of old US military hardware on Ukraine is that USA in any realistic paradigm considers Russia a hostile country that US military needs to be ready for a fight with...
However, the war in Ukraine is a medium through which second rate gear that's not really worth much anymore and much of which would end up rusting away or being given\sold to third world for pennies can be turned into a meaningful reduction of that threat, and in turn the required US military preparations to handle it.