ASOIAF/GOT ASOIAF Ideas, Recs, and Discussion thread

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liberty90 said:
I need to mention that's a nice toy to kill or at least maim civilians, or bandits. It's not especially useful in european-late-medieval-style war. Really poor stopping power, practically opposite of the usual crossbow.
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Well, at least unlike guys I've met on sites like FFN, you're not saying it's some mega game changer

Just because it's easy to know how to use

Probably gonna take a few more decades to be proper weaponry that can hit elephants without missing

Doubt the "shock and awe" of gunfire will last that much
 
Stopping power of "gunfire", as in gunpowder weapon, is extremely significant. I thought about specifically repeating crossbow, that were OTL used in China.
 
It's a Ned on the Iron Throne fic, which kills my SoD on its own. If Robert and Rhaegar both died, it'd either be Stannis as king, or Viserys with Tywin as regent for his underage goodson.
 
I was going to say, it takes some questionable choices early on. Its primarily about Sansa though. Ned dies at the beginning of the story, and Tywin is sent to the NW. Which takes him out of play.

I'd have to look at the details, but the author did some work in terms of establishing the context and "Why" of the story. With Regards to STAB, Stannis kept Storm's End.

However, the story isn't about Ned. He dies in the second chapter IIRC. So if you can get past the plausibility of the POD, you might find Sansa's journey worth reading it for.

If not, then recommendations are still being made.
 
Say, how old do you guys think Human Civilization on the Planetos is?

I think it’s possible that there were civilizations before Ancient Ghis and Yi-Ti’s Empire of The Dawn
 
Humans entered Westeros sometime in the past 12,000 years or so from the canon timeframe.

The Empire of the Dawn-seems to have been around the time of the Long Night and Asshai is of course...Asshai.

I would say human civilization has existed at a bronze or stone age level for 12,000-15,000 years. Perhaps a longer stone age in Essos, or perhaps Sothoryos.

The actual age of Planetos is also unclear. The Deep Ones and hints of an ancient fish like race-implies that civilizations have existed before humans.

Ganurath said:
It's a Ned on the Iron Throne fic, which kills my SoD on its own. If Robert and Rhaegar both died, it'd either be Stannis as king, or Viserys with Tywin as regent for his underage goodson.
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To give a brief summary,

Ned becomes King and Tywin goes to the wall alongside Jaimie
Ned is betrayed and dies
Sansa is crowned due to Hoster's preference(Robb also is slain)
Sansa learns under the feet of LF, Tyrion, Hoster, Jon Arryn and her mother
Sansa fights a Targaryen restoration
Lots of people die
Sansa is captured
Sansa is tortured...a lot
Sansa escapes
Sansa wins the war
Sansa has become the ice queen
Sansa defeats her enemies and smiles at the wailing of their women
Sansa is now a great(as in bloody monstrous but also effective) Queen.

So as I said, its not a "Ned King" fic.
 
Lord Invictus said:
Humans entered Westeros sometime in the past 12,000 years or so from the canon timeframe.

The Empire of the Dawn-seems to have been around the time of the Long Night and Asshai is of course...Asshai.

I would say human civilization has existed at a bronze or stone age level for 12,000-15,000 years. Perhaps a longer stone age in Essos, or perhaps Sothoryos.

The actual age of Planetos is also unclear. The Deep Ones and hints of an ancient fish like race-implies that civilizations have existed before humans.
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I'm guessing the Giants, Harry Men and Children of The Forest were pretty much stuck on Stone Age for longer
 
The mazemakers and the strange oily black stone seems to imply ancient non human civilizations existed.

Personally I lean towards the belief that aliens were involved.

The strange people from "The Shadow"

The above has to be my favorite tinfoily video and probably my favorite Secrets of the Citadel video.
 
Lord Invictus said:
The mazemakers and the strange oily black stone seems to imply ancient non human civilizations existed.

Personally I lean towards the belief that aliens were involved.

The strange people from "The Shadow"

The above has to be my favorite tinfoily video and probably my favorite Secrets of the Citadel video.
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Odds are they won't be getting involved in the plot of the series, just exist in the background
 
Lord Invictus said:
So as I said, its not a "Ned King" fic.
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No, but it starts that way, which is a massive red flag about how little the writer cared about what was or wasn't plausible in the setting. The summary you made validated my concerns that the rest of the story would be similarly nonsensical in pursuit of a premise.
 
Ganurath said:
No, but it starts that way, which is a massive red flag about how little the writer cared about what was or wasn't plausible in the setting. The summary you made validated my concerns that the rest of the story would be similarly nonsensical in pursuit of a premise.
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What premise would that be? It’s a character focused story, not a timeline.

Generally I’m in favor of realism, and maintaining the structure of the setting, but I didn’t find this too implausible.

The POD is that Robert dies, Ned is thrust into the role, and things go from there.

Now of course that isn’t for everyone and there are aspects of the story I’m not too fond of.

But it is what it is.

Personally I find the pedantry over plausibility in setting to be harmful and limiting in terms of quality fanfiction.

Your mileage may vary.

This gatekeeping culture is a pox on the fandom.
 
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How well would in-universe having "Kengan Matches" go in-terms of settling House Disputes?

Like, unless it's war against foreigners, a "civil war" is stopped as Two Rival Houses are made to settle things with "moderated violence"?

Also, presume that in this universe, CQC Fighters are pretty much superhuman and able to do things like kick giants in the face
 
Lord Invictus said:
What premise would that be? It’s a character focused story, not a timeline.
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The premise is to build up a narrative about bad things happening to the author's favorite character so that the author's favorite character can come off as justified in doing whatever the author wants. While such tales appeal to some, they aren't my cup of tea.
Lord Invictus said:
Personally I find the pedantry over plausibility in setting to be harmful and limiting in terms of quality fanfiction.
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I'd rather have the pedantry than have people encourage the mindset D&D had going into Season 8.
CarlManvers2019 said:
How well would in-universe having "Kengan Matches" go in-terms of settling House Disputes?

Like, unless it's war against foreigners, a "civil war" is stopped as Two Rival Houses are made to settle things with "moderated violence"?

Also, presume that in this universe, CQC Fighters are pretty much superhuman and able to do things like kick giants in the face
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*slowly sets aside biases paralleling Kengan Matches with Clan Trials from Battletech*

If the CQC fighters had such capability, then Aegon's Conquest wouldn't have gone over anywhere near as well as it did, since it depended heavily on the martial superiority of dragons. The battle for the Stormlands in particular would've swung in favor of the defense, thanks to the rain grounding the dragon to where local CQC fighters could easily reach it.
 
Ganurath said:
*slowly sets aside biases paralleling Kengan Matches with Clan Trials from Battletech*

If the CQC fighters had such capability, then Aegon's Conquest wouldn't have gone over anywhere near as well as it did, since it depended heavily on the martial superiority of dragons. The battle for the Stormlands in particular would've swung in favor of the defense, thanks to the rain grounding the dragon to where local CQC fighters could easily reach it.
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I think most of them would still die however, I mean not everybody could be Badass enough to beat a Mammoth to death unscathed

And I think Aegon would just fly away till it's over instead, can't be rainy 24/7

Would Kengan Matches be a constant problem for his rule though? I mean, if he rejects fighting a guy who maybe far stronger than him, he could be seen as a coward and he may not even have a "representative" who will always win 100%

Take note, in Kengan, weapons are still very dangerous, so no punching through Valyrian Steel
 
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Ganurath said:
The premise is to build up a narrative about bad things happening to the author's favorite character so that the author's favorite character can come off as justified in doing whatever the author wants. While such tales appeal to some, they aren't my cup of tea.

I'd rather have the pedantry than have people encourage the mindset D&D had going into Season 8.

*slowly sets aside biases paralleling Kengan Matches with Clan Trials from Battletech*

If the CQC fighters had such capability, then Aegon's Conquest wouldn't have gone over anywhere near as well as it did, since it depended heavily on the martial superiority of dragons. The battle for the Stormlands in particular would've swung in favor of the defense, thanks to the rain grounding the dragon to where local CQC fighters could easily reach it.
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It’s in the title. Sansa starts out as a naive but well intentioned monarch, with a heart bigger than Casterly Rock. The system crushes her again and again and again. So by the last chapter she is executing hundreds and ordering Margaery to her knees and telling her to pray to her(Sansa) as a form of pointed humiliation. She becomes effective, but loses her innocence in the process. That to me is what makes the story interesting. That’s not a simple revenge fantasy or anything like that.

The mindset of D&D going into season eight can be very simply explained. Apathy. Complete and total apathy. The last few seasons had become less and less plausible.

However-I’d take a little tipping of the writing scales over plausibility(Ned being king) with good character development and drama over what D&D did or sticking so closely to plausibility the story lacks any heart or theme.

It just becomes an alternate history what if.

I can write ASOIAF what if this side won this battle all day. How would events follow precisely according to logistical, political, and economic IU logic, etc... Its all well and good to take the above into account, however I will tolerate overlooking it for high quality storytelling.
 
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How many bastard children is it possible that both Tywin and Tyrion have?

I think it was speculated once that one of Chataya’s girls is Tywin’s unacknowledged bastard daughter

And I think he may have been visiting prostitutes long before he was even Aerys’ Hand too

Also, Tyrion drinks and whores way more often than Tywin does, so odds are he should have as many or more kids than Robert by now
 
Tywin? Possibly a few here and there. I’ve always thought Marei(a Lannister looking prostitute at Chataya’s) is Tywin’s. Alalaya(or is it another ala?) is also possible.

Tyrion is far less clear. There is some evidence he may be sterile.
 
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