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This needs to become a trend.
 

Terthna

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It's a trend I expect will continue. Eventually, one's ideology is going to dictate all sorts of things (which businesses you purchase from, which banks you have accounts with, et cetera, et cetera), and people with opposing views will end up part of completely different economies within the same country.
 

Basileus_Komnenos

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This needs to become a trend.
I disagree as this sets a bad precedent. Plus I don't think this is necessarily legal/ethical as the whole point behind ballots is that they're supposed to remain secret unless you personally divulge who you vote for.

Though I think this is a marketing gimmick for the ammunition seller/company to gain publicity. People could just as easily lie about voting for Joe Biden to gain a sale.
 

Captain X

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It's a trend I expect will continue. Eventually, one's ideology is going to dictate all sorts of things (which businesses you purchase from, which banks you have accounts with, et cetera, et cetera), and people with opposing views will end up part of completely different economies within the same country.
Probably what's more likely to happen is that either cancel culture will eventually reach a point where it fails because it doesn't actually end up doing anything because the majority of people will have moved on from it and support companies that are immune and won't do the same kind of thing, or there will be some laws broken and it will lead to a civil war, or at the very least a kind of "Years of Lead" situation where terrorism is a lot more commonplace.

I disagree as this sets a bad precedent. Plus I don't think this is necessarily legal/ethical as the whole point behind ballots is that they're supposed to remain secret unless you personally divulge who you vote for.

Though I think this is a marketing gimmick for the ammunition seller/company to gain publicity. People could just as easily lie about voting for Joe Biden to gain a sale.
Well, yeah. I mean the whole thing is based around a box that you voluntarily check, after all. But it's the same kind of thing the lefties have been doing, so it's basically a taste of their own medicine as far as I'm concerned. Undoubtedly this will get attention in the media and the usual crowd will REE at it even though they actually support the restrictions this company is talking about.
 
I hope this goes as far as to get the point across but no more. If it gets to the point where even our economics are balkanized, (Which kind of defeats the point of a free market and capitalism.) we might as well start banishing people to their "Proper" boarders and split the country into two.
 

Culsu

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Well, freedom of contracts and all that. It's as much a company's right to choose their business as it's a client's. Besides, nobody is forcing them to disclose their vote; there are plenty of alternative ammo providers. At this stage it's nothing but a very poignant reminder to people that yes, your political choice has consequences, and if said consequences down the road might mean a company goes out of business said company can't well be obliged to do business with you. After all, you directly hold responsibility via your vote for potentially making it go out of business!
 

Captain X

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I hope this goes as far as to get the point across but no more. If it gets to the point where even our economics are balkanized, (Which kind of defeats the point of a free market and capitalism.) we might as well start banishing people to their "Proper" boarders and split the country into two.
Honestly I'm at a point where I wouldn't mind that, but I still want to be the USA, and want to kick the leftist coastal states out to form their socialist utopia that they can fuck off to.
 

Cherico

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Honestly I'm at a point where I wouldn't mind that, but I still want to be the USA, and want to kick the leftist coastal states out to form their socialist utopia that they can fuck off to.

California has more or less run out of other peoples money and is already doing desperate things that are backfiring. I give us a year tops before we hit the wall at full speed and then have to come crawling to the feds for a bail out. If that fails and that can happen then our choices are bankrupcy or economic collapse.

And no matter what happens we bet the farm on a geo political order that is collapsing in real time.

California isnt going to become a socialist utopia it has every chance of becoming a red state once we realize just how badly we got fucked.
 

Basileus_Komnenos

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California has more or less run out of other peoples money and is already doing desperate things that are backfiring. I give us a year tops before we hit the wall at full speed and then have to come crawling to the feds for a bail out. If that fails and that can happen then our choices are bankrupcy or economic collapse.

And no matter what happens we bet the farm on a geo political order that is collapsing in real time.

California isnt going to become a socialist utopia it has every chance of becoming a red state once we realize just how badly we got fucked.
As an actual Californian, I highly doubt this. WIth how the Dems have basically turned CA into a one-party state for the last 25+ years, they've basically taken control of all cultural and economic institutions in the state. Some of their election laws like the "top-two Primary system" basically splits the minority party vote which basically kills the chances of the GOP winning a gubernatorial election. The CA GOP has pretty much given up the fight to win back CA and basically is focusing on consolidating/maintaining what little presence it has left in the state.

Plus with critical race theory and leftism being pushed in schools now, future generations wouldn't really be amenable to voting for any conservative candidates.
 

Cherico

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As an actual Californian, I highly doubt this. WIth how the Dems have basically turned CA into a one-party state for the last 25+ years, they've basically taken control of all cultural and economic institutions in the state. Some of their election laws like the "top-two Primary system" basically splits the minority party vote which basically kills the chances of the GOP winning a gubernatorial election. The CA GOP has pretty much given up the fight to win back CA and basically is focusing on consolidating/maintaining what little presence it has left in the state.

Plus with critical race theory and leftism being pushed in schools now, future generations wouldn't really be amenable to voting for any conservative candidates.

I am a californian too and I know that our state has had populist revolts before very strong and powerful ones.

Shit will have to get really bad first but eventally the pain will teach us.
 

Basileus_Komnenos

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I am a californian too and I know that our state has had populist revolts before very strong and powerful ones.

Shit will have to get really bad first but eventally the pain will teach us.
I was a little kid when Schwarzenegger became the governor. How bad was it that the state voted Republican then? Though weren't there a lot more Republicans in CA there? Today there's barely a quarter of CA's electorate who registered as part of the CA GOP.
 

Cherico

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I was a little kid when Schwarzenegger became the governor. How bad was it that the state voted Republican then? Though weren't there a lot more Republicans in CA there? Today there's barely a quarter of CA's electorate who registered as part of the CA GOP.


I agree its a shit situation, a really shit situation thing is eventally no matter how much strenght you have you have to produce actual results, the democrats have created a one party state but that leaves them with all of the responsbility and things are getting worse and worse and its getting harder to paper over the increasingly bad situation.

But the thing is some times the only way people learn is from pain, some people have to learn everything the hard way, and we as a state will learn the hard way. It will be painful and agonziing but we will learn because circumstances will not give us a choice.

Its going to be a painful time for us but we have pulled through hard times before and hopefully once its over we will be much wiser.
 

Rocinante

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I remember a bunch of vendors doing exactly this during Obama's terms but it didn't make the news like this.

It's nothing new. I was regularly attending gun shows and working some vendor booths, a lot of us had signs with Obama on them that would say something like "voted for him? Buy somewhere else." (I did vote for him though lol but I realize now that it was a mistake)

This has been a thing before, but now that Biden is back, it's coming back.

It's kinda pointless really. You don't have to disclose that you voted for him. They can't check. This is just virtue signalling. It's good advertising too because their right wing (majority of customer base,) customers love it and it gets the word out.
 
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Rocinante

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It isn't just virtue signalling, both because it will cost them some sales (though how many is probably impossible to track), and could make them a target of the ATF under Biden.

It isn't all that far off from it either though, as much as part of me would like to think otherwise.
Fair point. I heard the other day a convincing definition of virtue signalling. That it means you aren't taking any loss or risk.

This? This has risk and possibility of loss built into it. So with that in mind, I have to agree, this is actually doing something, not virtue signalling.

That being said, any Biden voters who want to buy their ammo just has to check "no," so it's not the big deal some are making of it. And if you voted Biden, what are you doing buying ammo and firearms anyways?
 

Cherico

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Fair point. I heard the other day a convincing definition of virtue signalling. That it means you aren't taking any loss or risk.

This? This has risk and possibility of loss built into it. So with that in mind, I have to agree, this is actually doing something, not virtue signalling.

That being said, any Biden voters who want to buy their ammo just has to check "no," so it's not the big deal some are making of it. And if you voted Biden, what are you doing buying ammo and firearms anyways?

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