DarthOne
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I wish it would hurry up and happen so it can be done and over with.
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That really isn't how it works this is a movement that has been with us for over 20 god damned years now and people have been chipping away at it for years. It takes a long time for something thats been that dominate for that long to fall.
yawwwwwnnnn . . .
can one of yous Yankees put out a big notice here when the 2nd US Civil War begins?
Hopefully the Right Side is accepting volunteers from Canada . . .
And once America is reconquered, we can take the fight to Canada.
can one of yous Yankees put out a big notice here when the 2nd US Civil War begins?
Hopefully the Right Side is accepting volunteers from Canada . . .
And once America is reconquered, we can take the fight to Canada.
Hope you have a cryo chamber my money is on decades.
mrttao
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The problem is that their brainwashing is so invasive, that even if there is a civil war, the "right" are just slightly less crazy liberals. Conservatives conserve nothing. They are just last generation's liberal
LordsFire
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I get so sick of this bloody line.
RINOS conserve nothing, and are usually just last generation's liberals.
You can argue conservatives haven't conserved much, as a matter of political failure, but actual conservatives are not just last generation's liberals.
We have a very clear-cut system of beliefs, and it hasn't much changed in decades. It just isn't something we've had much success at implementing.
Pretty soon governments across the world are going to run out of other peoples money.
Pain is the biggest red pill of them all.
You haven't had much success because the conservatism you are talking about does not adapt to a changing world and social culture, and is more and more a fossil of a bygone age.
It's why it took Trump, a former Dem, to rebuild the GOP after what Bush Jr and the neo-cons did.
But the thing the GOP is best at is losing gracefully while grifting donations from people too naive to see the GOP for what it really is; controlled opposition for the neo-liberal globalist deep state that actually is the real power in DC.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
And here we do have an example of 'conservatives should be the liberals of 10 years ago!'
@mrttao , this individual here is the sort of person you were talking about. Note that he is not in any way actually conservative, he just wants the conservative movement to become the leftists of ten years ago that he was comfortable with.
Real conservatism might change tactics to keep with the times, but the basic principles remain the same, because they are principles that have two important factors going for them:
1. They are true.
2. When actually applied, they work.
Skallagrim
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They have the additional advantage, derived from the above points, that they always win.
Sometimes, this takes a while. Usually until the radicals (who may of course also call themselves "progressives", "revolutionaries" or any other such name) run into the inevitable reality that their ideas are false and don't work. This will not prevent radical ideas from being tried, periodically, time upon time -- that's because the first lesson of history is that men don't learn from history. But nevertheless, across thousands of years, every single period of "experimentalism" has ended in disaster, and has led to a return to more traditional attitudes. (And those attitudes, at the core, have remained remarkably consistent across all ages. Only the cultural expressions change; the underlying motivations remain the same.)
And across all ages, there have been disappointed sort-of-centrist types who feel excluded by the ever-more-insane radicals (because radicalism always spirals endlessly). And across all ages, those exact disappointed centrists have then tried to argue that there should be some "middle way", some "compromise", because allegedly, the traditional attitudes just can't come back, and shouldn't, because (according to these centrists!) they were always bad anyway. And across all ages, those guys have been dead wrong.
Going through a period of radicalist dominance is always a trial. It always ends in disaster. And the answer is never compromising with the radicals. That just gives them a longer lease of life. The traditional attitudes always prevail, and always return, for the exact two reasons cited above. Defeatism and the advocacy of "compromise", therefore, is not only a senseless proposition, but an actively harmful one. It only prolongs the disaster.
Except I'm a Registered Independent, not a 'conservative', specifically because purity spiral's people like you get into about 'what is real conservatism' and how unwilling you are to accept that the 'Reaganite Bargain' of the old GOP does not hold much water in the current political climate.
Your vaunted 'conservative' movement was dying till a former Dem, Trump, breathed new life back into it by embracing populist conservatism, instead of the establishment GOP neo-con or the fossilized trad-con tactics/rhetoric of the Bush Sr and Bush Jr years.
It doesn't matter if what conservatives believe is 'true' or 'works', if those ideas cannot get anywhere because conservatives keep playing the old electoral game on a game board that has evolved past them, and that is now openly being rigged against them on every level.
This is why I want a viable third party, so we have some option besides the GOP and trad-cons as allies, rather than the 'my enemy's enemy' situation we face now.
mrttao
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disclaimer: I am not advocating anything here. Just explaining how public beliefs shifted.
Really? so what is your opinion about abolishing amendment 11 through 27?
All the Constitutional Amendments - Summaries, Changes & Significance
Since the Constitution was ratified in 1789, hundreds of thousands of bills have been introduced attempting to amend the nation's founding document. But only 27 amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been ratified, out of 33 passed by Congress and sent to the states. See summaries of all 27.
www.history.com
should women be allowed to vote and work?
should slavery be reinstated?
should all alphabet people be executed?
should we stone all who engage in premarital or extramarital sex?
Those are so laughably non issues that there isn't even any data nor conversation on them.
The closest you can get is
Global Views on Morality
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But in germany only 6% still think so. This is because germany is further down the demoralization. The definition of the word conservative and liberal simply shifts with time.
And of those 30% who think it is bad I doubt you would find even 1% who thinks it warrants the death penalty.
What do you think those %s were in the USA 100 years ago?
The RHINOS at the top of the pyramid being corrupt politicians being foisted on us is certainly a problem. But the individual beliefs have shifted as well.
what about divorces.
Global Views on Morality
web.archive.org
Certainly a social collapse will see some of those attitudes change, but there will be remnants that won't go away.
Especially because it is highly unlikely to get the full blown collapse and reset some people wish for. It will just be a decline into a south america level shithole and then staying stuck at that level with ever growing corruption.
For example, a collapse followed by a conservative resurgence in the usa might, hypothetically, make abortion illegal, while leaving the majority still overwhelmingly in favor of allowing divorce. Or it could be vice versa. Or they could ban both but be pro sodomy. etc.
None of these things are truly "universal fundamental aspects of conservatism". Conservatism has always been fluid.
You might argue that some of them are objectively harmful or helpful to a culture. You might even be right, but a culture can survive with a few bad things. And people are not going to flip on every single issue at once.
As such it is highly likely that due to the mass indoctrination at least some of the negatives of the woke indoctrination will survive into whatever future cultures arise from the ashes.
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I would still support Franco against anarchists in Spain.Becouse not all kind of liberty is good thing.
mrttao
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they will just memory hole. also who is going to persecute her? the congress democrats?
I think the Clintons power is slowly eroding, they have managed to dodge a lot but they have also made a lot of enemies and their power is degrading with time. This year they have enough to dodge shit, but they have determined and angry enemies who are growing and their friends are dwindling.
Can she dodge justice forever? This year yes but the vultures are circling, because quite simply put this kind of thing is fucking huge, its worse then water gate, its the kind of thing people have been strait up exicuted for, and its not going away.