Yeah it has lead to a lot of young people committing suicide due to extreme stress. Not a good thing for young people.
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TheRomanSlayer
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Committing suicide or attempting to commit suicide because of extreme stress and high chance of failure, it's horrific for a lot of young people, and in a continent like Asia, that's a huge expectation imposed on the youth. While Asia would indeed turn out a lot of highly educated people there, it may also devolve into the whole 'too many cooks in the kitchen's like scenario where there's a lot of white collar workers, but not enough white collar jobs. It might also be true in the West as well.
Yeah I don't know why this happened but a lot of parents got it into their stupid heads that you need to go to college to become successful. And that Blue Collar Jobs are beneath their children. They seem to forget that without Carpenters, Electricians, Plumbers, Truck Drivers and Mechanics. Their uppity White Collar life would be fucked. Besides people in the Trades make a lot of money. A good plumber is not making fast food money after all. And going in the trades will greatly lesson the chance of ending up with Soul Crushing debt.
TheRomanSlayer
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Reminds me of that meme that was made between a female college graduate with a 4 year degree being compared to a male electrician on an apprenticeship in terms of their financial situation. Basically trades school vs college meme
edgeworthy
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I have a feeling that pointing out that knowledge is its own reward may not be taken well in this discussion.
You can already learn all the stuff they teach in College with Independent study in Libraries.
ParadiseLost
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Most trade school vs college memes are pretty dumb and cherry pick statistics.
Its really a risk vs reward thing. No shit going to college for 4 years and taking $30,000 in debt is a risk. And yes, $30,000 is the average debt a college student has at graduation as of 2022. Not $100,000 like a lot of memes would tell you.
Entry salaries are significantly higher for bachelors students.
And the reality is that the options aren't either Bachelors or Trade school. Not everyone has the fitness level or internal fortitude or common sense to do something like electrical work. Not only that, but there's no guarantee that you'll get a good trade job either.
TheRomanSlayer
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I wonder if this is what you would call a Catch 22 situation
Agent23
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I am pretty sure that the timelines were the same for those degrees even before the whole bologna process credits nonsense got introduced.
IMHO what is needed is a demonstrated understanding and skill within a very narrow set of disciplines required for the practice of a particular trade, and yes, I will be calling them trades because most were before they were grafted to the hetheto religious and clerical education system for second sons of the aristocracy.
In my opinion universities should only be factories for high-level technicians and medical practitioners, and everything else is nonsense.
Admissions for universities should be done purely and only on the basis of the subject that is to be studied, not general education nonsense and useless crap like sports.
I would rather have a doctor that got in due to knowing the differences between a procaryote and an eucaryote and what the line boron - wolfram in the periodic table of elements means, not one who wrote a nice essay about "muh oppression" or was good at sportsball.
As to the OP, as I pointed out in another thread higher education has seen some degree of evolution over the past few centuries.
Buba
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American universities being professional U23 sports organisations is yet another can of worms.
Agent23
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For that reason we have a wonderful solution.
Stuff like the NSA(National Sports Academy) where you can get athletes, personal trainers, and teachers in physical education, aka slackers.
A friend of mine's niece decided to go there.
When asked, she said it was because she just wants to slack off non stop at a safe job, aka physed teacher.
Typhonis
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She is aware that she needs to get the job first and follow the guidelines set, right?
Agent23
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She is actually pretty fit and quite hot.
And here we don't have that high a standard.
Gym class was always the teacher giving us a football and letting us run around without supervision.
With a decent number of us jumping the fence and going to play CS 1.5 at the local internet cafe.
Or in my case, shitpost on SB.
KilroywasNOTHere
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not when it costs an arm and a leg and can lead you (and potentially your children) into debt slavery.
Sorry he sounds like an annoying chucklehead I use to work with. The Journeyman Program like my Nephew is going through. I giving him a bright future of getting a good trade for life.
You could just straight up remove certain degrees and use apprenticeships instead. For example there is really no reason that you need to have a law degree. You could just as easily take a job with an established firm as a paralegal for say 2 years. Thus learning the profession from a practical standpoint and getting paid for it as opposed to paying. After that you could then just go and take the Bar,I suspect quite a few professions could be ran this way.
They could also cut all the useless fluff out of the degree process for those that remain. I don't need to take History to become a Doctor. I am perfectly capable of reading a book in the Library.
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ParadiseLost
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You do realize a big part of the reason the modern education system exists as it does is so that companies don't have to deal with apprenticeships or training periods, right?
Like, most companies don't want to risk having to spend 6 months or more on training. Let alone the years that would be required for more advanced jobs. They don't want to have to pay that up front cost.