Christian Nationalism and it's weakness

[LordsFire]

I was not talking the Ten commandments. I was thinking of King Josiah apparently

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There were repeated periods where most of the people of Israel forsook God and turned to pagan ways.

But every time it's explicitly mentioned, there's always a faithful few who remained.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

There were repeated periods where most of the people of Israel forsook God and turned to pagan ways.

But every time it's explicitly mentioned, there's always a faithful few who remained.

Okay that I'll give you.

 

[King Arts]

There were repeated periods where most of the people of Israel forsook God and turned to pagan ways.

But every time it's explicitly mentioned, there's always a faithful few who remained.

Yup you are right.

 

[JagerIV]

So I was watching a video that this Protestant redeemed zoomer made, and he listed 3 weaknesses of the U.S. Christian Nationalist movement.

1. They frequently retreat, they think that they just need to abandon cities, or higher universities to the left, and everything will handle itself. Yet the way Christianity performed one of it's biggest miracles and converted Rome was by going to and capturing the cities. The Apostles and their disciples did not just go out to the country pop out a bunch of kids and hope the kids would conquer the Empire.

2. They are anti elite. By doint this they are ensuring they won't be able to change much, Christians should try to get into elite positions to make change.

3. They don't want to recapture institutions and would prefer to make their own new ones. Making new things is not bad but you are starting from zero, and the institutions you make won't produce as much as the old institutions until you build them up, and again I don't see any solution these people put forth to avoid future leftist infiltration like has happened before.




So Christians of the sietch that I know of what are your thoughts?
@DarthOne @ATP @S'task @LordsFire

Sorry those are the only people off the top of my head who have professed Christian belief. But anyone else who is Christian feel free to come by or to call them over.

Yeah, this seems to be the opposite of the people I've seen who self identity as Christian nationalists, like Steven Wolfe. The Case for Christian Nationalism - Wikipedia

"In addition, he argues that this should be accomplished through a "measured theocratic Caesarism".[1] Wolfe follows early Reformers[who?] in assigning the government a role in suppressing outward displays of "false religion", but not a power to coerce the conscience or inward religion.[1] The civil magistrate is tasked with wielding "formal civil power" for the public good.[4] He also argues that Christian nationalism is compatible with the tradition of the American founding.[1]"

Taking over the government, implementing a Caesar who will force the government and people to follow church doctrine is not what I would describe as retreatist, anti elite, or against capture of institutions.

To the degree Christian nationalists exist as a movement at all, and not just a slur for what 99% of all Christians throughout history believed until last week, would have to make reference and include what Steven Wolfe is doing. In which case the outlined criticism of Christian nationalism is actually an argument for it, due to having a 180 understanding of the positions.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Sorry for the necroing, but recently I came across something rather interesting. Has anyone ever heard of Marcionism? It's something got to do with going back to what Marcionists call the Pre-Nicene Christianity.

 

[King Arts]

Sorry for the necroing, but recently I came across something rather interesting. Has anyone ever heard of Marcionism? It's something got to do with going back to what Marcionists call the Pre-Nicene Christianity.

Yeah they were an early Christian heresy. They were gnostics right? What about them?

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Yeah they were an early Christian heresy. They were gnostics right? What about them?

It seems that they might be potentially making a comeback since mainstream Christianity is already compromised by left leaning ideologies.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

It seems that they might be potentially making a comeback since mainstream Christianity is already compromised by left leaning ideologies.

A 'comeback' you say? How big of one to be worthwhile to talk about? It's a heretical sect that denies the Old Testament and promotes the idea that the God who delivered the Jews out of slavery in Egypt is an inferior and altogether different being from the one who sent Jesus, the only place I imagine that belief will find any traction is with antisemites mainly, while most anyone else will form a different denomination of Christianity or look into a preexisting one.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

A 'comeback' you say how big of one to be worthwhile to talk about? It's a heretical sect that denies the Old Testament and promotes the idea that the God who delivered the Jews out of slavery in Egypt is an inferior and altogether different being from the one who sent Jesus, the only place I imagine that will find traction is with antisemites mainly, while most anyone else will form a different denomination or look into a preexisting one.

Marcion was pretty much the closest thing to a prototype Christian anti-semite, though I wonder if Gnosticism is also riddled with anti-semitism as well.

 

[DarthOne]

It seems that they might be potentially making a comeback since mainstream Christianity is already compromised by left leaning ideologies.

Heresy is a question. Fire is the answer! /warhammer 40,000

 

[ATP]

Marcion was pretty much the closest thing to a prototype Christian anti-semite, though I wonder if Gnosticism is also riddled with anti-semitism as well.

Gnostics were anti-human death cult,and since semites are humans,too - they were anti-semites,too.

 

[ShieldWife]

It seems that they might be potentially making a comeback since mainstream Christianity is already compromised by left leaning ideologies.

Is it making a comeback? I’ve never heard of a modern person who was actually a Marcionist.

 

[IndyFront]

Here's another post to trigger Terthna and Abhorson:
Christian Nationalism is betacuck

 

[DarthOne]

Here's another post to trigger Terthna and Abhorson:
Christian Nationalism is betacuck

Excuse you?

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Is it making a comeback? I’ve never heard of a modern person who was actually a Marcionist.

Until recently, I never heard of Marcionism. But from what I can guess, if that strand became the dominant form of Christianity when it first became a thing, it would have been less appealing to Jews but more appealing to Gentiles.

Gnosticism is a whole new arena that I need to explore more in depth.

 

[King Arts]

It seems that they might be potentially making a comeback since mainstream Christianity is already compromised by left leaning ideologies.

Umm do you know anything about gnostics? Like I did a quick Wikipedia check and the early arguments are that the god in the New Testament is forgiving while in the Old Testament he is mean and has rules and punishment for people.

So the gnostics would be more likely to be liberal.

I mean I can understand the logic they come to just like I understand Arianism. But gnostics have the mentality of a 5 year old who doesn’t know the Bible and doesn’t know the times in the Old Testament there was mercy or in the new where god was harsh.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Umm do you know anything about gnostics? Like I did a quick Wikipedia check and the early arguments are that the god in the New Testament is forgiving while in the Old Testament he is mean and has rules and punishment for people.

So the gnostics would be more likely to be liberal.

I mean I can understand the logic they come to just like I understand Arianism. But gnostics have the mentality of a 5 year old who doesn’t know the Bible and doesn’t know the times in the Old Testament there was mercy or in the new where god was harsh.

It's something I would have to discover on my own. However, at one point I did study with JWs, and they also have their own set of doctrines that are Arian in nature.

 

[Bigking321]

It's a heretical sect that denies the Old Testament and promotes the idea that the God who delivered the Jews out of slavery in Egypt is an inferior and altogether different being from the one who sent Jesus

...what?

That's complete biblical illiteracy and madness.

 

[IndyFront]

Excuse you?

A Monotheist Empire would be more based imo

 

[DarthOne]

A Monotheist Empire would be more based imo

The problem is that it takes the issues the west already faces (an elite that can’t be removed and that doesn’t listen) and makes it worse unless it’s done perfectly. And even then, it will eventually become corrupt, because nothing built by humans is perfect.

Also because you better believe that any existing political elites are going to do their damn best to get in that system. Plus, neo-feudalism is what they’re going for as an end point.