Megadeath
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Hmm, can't say for certain but I don't think we need ID in Australia. I don't think the UK requires it either?
Election 2020 Discussion Of Voter ID Laws. ( What A Boring Thread Title For A Hot Button Topic.)
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ReggieLedoux
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Nah, you just turn up, they check your name on a register, you vote. You do have to register to vote before hand, but that's as far as things go.
No, but it does make the sensible response going, "We're not doing this unless it's done right."
That said, the Republican position on this is pretty mashed up contradictions, because they want voter ID, but they don't want a national ID or even national *guidelines* on ID; just look at how much resistance there was to RealID, and that still leaves the actual IDs entirely in state hands, it's *only* setting forth very basic security minimums.
The tenth amendment prohibits the creation of federalizing ID's as that isn't a power delegated under the constitution to the federal government, hence we don't have national issued drivers licenses.
Not that I am completely against the idea but it would be hell to implement via an amendment.
Abhishekm
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True but that just makes it a state issue. And what does that mean for Federal ban on requiring state ID's? Plus Federalizing state mail-in votes? Talking about that one bill.
If we want a fair and consistent voting standard and ID is part of the voting process, then clearly having consistent access to voting ID is a key element, and that falls in the federal aegis.
None of this BS where, "Well, technically there's a free ID option, but you have to jump through these bureaucratic hoops and forms in this specific manner and the staff are sworn to silence." that some states have done.
None of this BS where, "Well, technically there's a free ID option, but you have to jump through these bureaucratic hoops and forms in this specific manner and the staff are sworn to silence." that some states have done.
I agree, but implementing a system like that would be difficult due to the powers that be.
Abhishekm
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Again, not an American so its up to you people either way but how bad is ID requirements in actuality? Because I kinda have a hard time believing it can be THAT bad. India had voter ID since the early 90's. And thats apart from other forms of local and social identification which have been around longer. Its kinda even more important for local races here.
I imagine for a country with such a high non citizen population and high movement between state populations it would be all the more important. I have a hard time believing it can't be done in a country where the minimal welfare benefits alone can put people in the top 20% globally.
I imagine for a country with such a high non citizen population and high movement between state populations it would be all the more important. I have a hard time believing it can't be done in a country where the minimal welfare benefits alone can put people in the top 20% globally.
It's not bad at all. In alabama, if you can't get one for whatever reason, the government offers to come to your house and take your picture to make a photo ID for voting.
Abhishekm
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Yeah, general assistance and processes like that are common and usually doesn't even require much direct government effort given the parties interests in it. I really don't get the hype around it to be honest. The laise fair attitude to intra state voting and policies seems more bizarre to me honestly. The whole politicians moving to run in specific states thing. In some ways it kinda feels like states here have even less freedom or self identity than in India. Though that is probabaly not a fair comparison, but from all the talk of states rights and local governance I was expecting it to be more.
Like legally you guys sorta have it more but culturally? Its like which side is prevalent in this state instead of much real state values or identity.
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wait a minute.
Your australian?
Then why the hell are you so invested in our elections? Isn't that quite litterally none of your business? No seriously if your not a US citizen then our internal poltics are none of your business. Seriously Australia is a nation of about 25 million people why dont you focus on improving that instead of a country thats litterally an ocean away?
Abhishekm
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Eh, thats a bit harsh. I mean I sorta agree with some of the base premise. I'm Indian so I keep out of criticism or promotion of specific people and stick to policies and third countries. But I do talk about general issues and when they relate to the US I talk about the US too.
Nothing wrong with Megadeath or anyone talking ideas in my opinion. Thats what its for I'd say. Though I'd be a bypocrit if I said otherwise so there is that too. Deciding people and people calling for voting reform in their homes one way or the other on the other hand thats a bit much for me.
Like I won't say the US must have Voter IDs or that it must not unless it upend how it handled IDs first. But id ask why and give my opinions on the idea of it. Nothing wrong with that I feel. Could be wrong people could disagree.
It varies widely from state to state, honestly. Some states it's very easy, others it's super difficult, especially because in some areas, there's only one government office for hundreds of miles and it's only open like, one day a week.
Syzygy
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Because it has nothing to do with sovereignty and everything to do with ideology.
Abhishekm
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That sounds more of a call for those remote locations to get some infrastructure or public office development than it does for not having a ID system in place.
Like so a loose assortment of farmsteads in the middle of the Arizona desert or some such dont have 5 dollar bus routes to and from a city dmv. So have a periodic local stall opened up to do voter ID processing.
I assume they must have something like that or another system they get other IDs and documents already. Is that really a valid reason to legally ban requiring IDs in down town LA?
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Megadeath
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Lol, yeah, because the way America is run obviously has no effect on anyone else anywhere.
Regardless, I have an opinion on the issues and if you don't like that, or that I feel like sharing it, good for you but I don't really care. It's also noteworthy that despite plenty of other people having stated they're not American, you only have a problem with it when it's someone you disagree with.
Abhishekm
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I can kinda see where he is coming from though Megadeath. I mean the US has a lot of influence in the world sure but that doesn't mean the people in it have any less of a stake in their home or how it lives that anyone else.Lol, yeah, because the way America is run obviously has no effect on anyone else anywhere.
If half the world critiqued and mocked every party and person in Australia or India or anyone elses home I think we would ask why they were getting so involved in anothers home too. America's a world power sure but to the people in it its still THEIR country, you know?
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It tends to be a partisan effort to shift the election by making it extremely difficult for certain categories of people to register to vote and/or have necessary ID. For example, Alabama passed very strict voter ID laws in 20-15, then specifically closed every single DMV office in counties that had a strong majority of black voters. After a storm of criticism, the governor offered to have one driving examiner show up for one day each month in each of the 31 counties that no longer had a DMV office.