EU Euro Madness

[Jormungandr]

At the end of the day, I think the primary blame for the EU's collapse firmly belongs to Angela Merkel. Her legacy for Europe will be one of economic destruction, desperation, poverty, and social unrest.

Well, she certainly didn't help things, that's for sure.

Behind closed doors, what are the odds that certain European nations are already looking into other options after this crisis?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Given that Italy was once part of the original Axis Powers, you’d think that they would be as easily sufferable towards accusations of Nazism or Fascism because of not wanting in on the EU

Which politician said that with Britain leaving, it just goes to show they have to make the EU stronger and incapable of leaving?

 

[Jormungandr]

Given that Italy was once part of the original Axis Powers, you’d think that they would be as easily sufferable towards accusations of Nazism or Fascism because of not wanting in on the EU

Which politician said that with Britain leaving, it just goes to show they have to make the EU stronger and incapable of leaving?

Well, we're all seeing how that's going for them. 🤔

 

[LordsFire]

At the end of the day I think the primary blame for the EUs collapse firmly belongs to Angela merkel. Her legacy for europe will be one of economic destruction desperation poverty and social unrest.

She hastened the demise, but it's been inevitable since the EU started more or less federalizing.

It's a coalition of heavily bureaucratic, increasingly authoritarian top-down governments, creating an even more bureaucratic, top-down authoritarian structure on top of them. The regulatory environment and expansion alone was going to kill their economies by itself.

I've been predicting this for almost twenty years.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

She hastened the demise, but it's been inevitable since the EU started more or less federalizing.

It's a coalition of heavily bureaucratic, increasingly authoritarian top-down governments, creating an even more bureaucratic, top-down authoritarian structure on top of them. The regulatory environment and expansion alone was going to kill their economies by itself.

I've been predicting this for almost twenty years.

Aside from politicians & regular citizens, how many companies that probably aren't so mega-reliant on "globalism" are getting pissed at the EU?

Specifically also, how many BIG companies are already disliking things like the Muslim migrants being nearby and maybe harassing their workers

 

[LordsFire]

Aside from politicians & regular citizens, how many companies that probably aren't so mega-reliant on "globalism" are getting pissed at the EU?

Specifically also, how many BIG companies are already disliking things like the Muslim migrants being nearby and maybe harassing their workers

I have no idea why you're asking me this. I've visited a decent chunk of it, but never lived in Europe.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I have no idea why you're asking me this. I've visited a decent chunk of it, but never lived in Europe.

Okay, just thought you might know

Though, honestly I think soon the whole Left Right Dichotomy that makes it so that people can’t think “Big Companies benefit from lots of regulations, taxes & unions because these same three things apply to any and all lower level competition who can’t handle it all”

 

[Airedale260]

I honestly find that there are new/old political parties that even included Lefties getting really pissed to be rather strange yet believable

It sorta helps that I think that other migrants and non-Western nations would have issues with them, no need for the USA to threaten war either

I mean look at Japan, years back I heard about ONE muslim migrant raped a senior citizen, it resulted in him being arrested and deported

Well, when, for example, LBGT activists and feminists realize that most of the world actually despises them, they realize that “tolerance” really doesn’t mean anything outside of the West.

Italy is becoming more and more pissed at the EU -- Spain, too. Greece is at the end of their tether with Turkey, and the old Eastern Bloc countries and Austria are openly saying "fuck you" to Germany and Brussels.

I'll laugh my goddamn arse off if this all causes Italy and Spain to pull a Brexit. 🤔 The EU is in severe existential trouble.

While I agree the EU is in deep shit, I don’t think Italy and Spain are going to jump ship until Germany refuses to bail their asses out of the shitstorm they’ve created, especially Italy. And the averse German taxpayer is pretty damn fed up already over the last round of bailouts.

At the end of the day I think the primary blame for the EUs collapse firmly belongs to Angela merkel. Her legacy for europe will be one of economic destruction desperation poverty and social unrest.

She hastened the demise, but it's been inevitable since the EU started more or less federalizing.

It's a coalition of heavily bureaucratic, increasingly authoritarian top-down governments, creating an even more bureaucratic, top-down authoritarian structure on top of them. The regulatory environment and expansion alone was going to kill their economies by itself.

I've been predicting this for almost twenty years.

I have to agree with @LordsFire on this. Merkel inherited a difficult situation but kept going with the pro-EU consensus, thinking that when the EU said “no bailouts, no cheating, etc” they actually meant it. Once Germans realized most of the big players within Europe weren’t following the rules, things started going south real fast.

It’s also proving the whole idea of strict regulation and so forth, plus a lack of integration in favor of “multiculturalism” don’t actually work. Sure, the EU was good for business concerns because it made supply chains and trade easier, but to most Europeans it didn’t actually provide any tangible benefits.

 

[Lanmandragon]

All I am saying is that just because socialists leave your country doesnt mean they aren't a threat, just like they do at home they have a nasty tendency to try to force their views down everyone's throat.

Sure that's where the "collapse the rival state". Crazies pushing crazy policy in another nation and weakening it{or even destroy it}. By necessity strengthens mine I don't see the problem with this.