Poe
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Neither of those quotes imply divinity and you aren't the only one who can use them. I'll entertain this for one more post, but as I said the point is that non-trinitarian christian groups existed historically and your opinion or constant attacking of me is irrelevant to the fact that you are wrong and nothing you can ever do or say will change that. You're also not the only one who can bring up quotes, that's why theological discussions usually don't rely explicitly on scripture as they are written as to be interpretable.If your conception of what Christianity is fundamentally wrong, there's no point in arguing over how similar it is or isn't to Islam.
To whit:
John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."
Jesus claiming divinity; people moved to stone him for saying this, because he was claiming divinity.
Luke 7:48-49: "Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" "
I could go on with other quotes from Christ, no need for the pauline epistles, but the point is Christ as divinity is not a 'Pauline Gospel,' it is what Christ himself claimed to be.
So yes, those who claim Christ, but deny His teachings, are not in fact Christians, because they defy the meaning of the word. If your conception of 'Christian' includes those who reject the core of Christianity, then it's little wonder that you think Islam is 'close' to it, because you've made the category so broad as to be almost meaningless.
Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."
John 5:30: "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."
Mathew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
I disagree, and at this point don't care to continue. The point was always you said the other poster knew nothing of any of these religions because they said Islam and Christianity were close. They are close and tons of people, including many Christians historically and even the Quran itself, agree with this. Any disagreement you still have is either a personal opinion you stubbornly refuse to admit is such or willful ignorance.Even then, while Islam could reasonably be said to be closer to Christianity than polytheism, it certainly still isn't closer to it than Judaism. The Torah and the Jewish prophets teach the same vision of God as the Christian Bible does, the Jews simply refuse to accept Christ as the Messiah.
Islam, on the other hand, teaches a view of god that is closer to the (inaccurate) stereotypes of the old testament, a lot of wrath and vengeance, not much Love, grace, or patience. Further, instead of God forgiving man in spite of man's sin, Islam teaches that one earn's God's forgiveness through moral excellence. These are fundamentally incompatible ways of viewing the nature of divinity.
Not that its relevant, but I am a ChristianAt this point, I feel obliged to ask, what are your religious beliefs?
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