Paying people back -money you've stolen from them....is a form of gibs.
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The issue is sales. Convincing people that a non-substantial thing is of greater value than more money is difficult to sell to a young man or woman in their late teens or early 20's. It's a lesson that HAS to start early, and that means we need to remove Federal influence of education while increasing the role of Family.If the GOP/people on the Right cannot offer people something better than the Dems, and want to resort to simply removing the ability of people to vote because they don't vote the way the GOP/Right want, that is wholesale admission of cultural defeat that cannot be realistically reversed, and the worst sort of cope.
Umm...no, letting me keep more of my money is NOT 'gibs'. That's a lie the Democrats have sold many, many people, but it's still a lie.Also, tax-cuts are 'gibs' too, even if the GOP doesn't like to admit it
Completely agree. NOT a fan of farm subsidies at all.and same with farm aid bills and such;
no argument. But this is also one of the weakness of the Democrats as well. At least once you can get the people in the Dem's base to answer a simple question, "Are you actually better off with the Dems after the past 50+ years of Dem programs?"while the Dems don't have the same issue in their base and know how to work social programs for political gain better than the GOP.
Funny, you didn't actually answer my question.You assume I think the current rules on who can vote in the US need to change.
I do not; I only think they need to be enforced s they are already written.
If the GOP/people on the Right cannot offer people something better than the Dems, and want to resort to simply removing the ability of people to vote because they don't vote the way the GOP/Right want, that is wholesale admission of cultural defeat that cannot be realistically reversed, and the worst sort of cope.
Also, tax-cuts are 'gibs' too, even if the GOP doesn't like to admit it, and same with farm aid bills and such; the GOP tries for 'gibs' too, it is just too proud to admit it, while the Dems don't have the same issue in their base and know how to work social programs for political gain better than the GOP.
Deal with the US electorate you have, not the one you wish you had in farcical fantasies.
The religious right aren't the ones whose views of women you should be worried about.religious right,
And these idiots are the ones that try to gatekeep conservatism. God help us all.lot of you reactionaries seem like you want to have America become an IRL Caesar's Legion
> Stealing less of your money is the same as a communist bribing you with someone else's stolen money.Also, tax-cuts are 'gibs' too
Money makes the world go round, not philosophy, and trying to convince people to remove the franchise from people who otherwise would have had it, just because the GOP doesn't like how the plebs vote, is foolishness of the highest order.The issue is sales. Convincing people that a non-substantial thing is of greater value than more money is difficult to sell to a young man or woman in their late teens or early 20's. It's a lesson that HAS to start early, and that means we need to remove Federal influence of education while increasing the role of Family.
Not from their point of view, as it is more money in the personal pocket either way, and those 'tax breaks' come on the backs of things like firefighter services or other social services the Dems and most in the middle prefer to remain funded.Umm...no, letting me keep more of my money is NOT 'gibs'. That's a lie the Democrats have sold many, many people, but it's still a lie.
See, I'm not against farm subsidies, simply because I understand crop rotations and land over-use in agriculture.Completely agree. NOT a fan of farm subsidies at all.
Many people actually are better off, in how they see thing and the world, under the Dems, and not every blue city/state is a hellhole.no argument. But this is also one of the weakness of the Democrats as well. At least once you can get the people in the Dem's base to answer a simple question, "Are you actually better off with the Dems after the past 50+ years of Dem programs?"
I did, I just rejected it's premise, and showed why it's a stupid question to start with.Funny, you didn't actually answer my question.
Yeah, it's incredibly demoralizing to realize that the stereotypes the Dems have of people on the Right looking for any reason to roll back sufferage, roll back pretty much all social safety nets, roll back multiple SCOTUS decisions about voting rights, and roll back most of US society back to the 1950s, or 19th Century, are not all false claims.The religious right aren't the ones whose views of women you should be worried about.
And these idiots are the ones that try to gatekeep conservatism. God help us all.
Taxes are not theft, no matter how much some on the fringes want to use that a rhetorical drum.> Stealing less of your money is the same as a communist bribing you with someone else's stolen money.
Oh look, more idiotic takes
Taxation without representation IS theft though.Taxes are not theft, no matter how much some on the fringes want to use that a rhetorical drum.
Okay. Don't pay and we'll watch what happens.Taxes are not theft, no matter how much some on the fringes want to use that a rhetorical drum.
You do have representation, though, and the taxes do cover domestic maintenance and funding, as well as overseas aid.Taxation without representation IS theft though.
"Give us money"
Oh to like...Fix the roads? Educate kids? Maybe even defend our country? Yeah sure, sounds fair to me!
"Oh heavens no! We need the money to give to shitholes across the globe and to breed more future slave castes! Uhh I mean minorities!"
Nope, I don't have the same bugaboo about taxes some people here do, nor do I think filing my tax info is some sort of defeat.Okay. Don't pay and we'll watch what happens.
And you are proof just because a refugee minority is 'conservative', does not mean they don't come with their own bad ideas and biases from their homelands.Bacle's responses ironically reveal that right wing South American rhetoric is relevant in the US now more than ever.
A leftist in San Fran or Boston lives in filth, wallows in disease and depravity and is happy for it.
These people, especially the educated and well off ones, worship ugliness, mediocrity and deviance and find beauty, prosperity and health to be a threat to them.
More proof that the credentialed are a bane on society and shouldn't be allowed to steer it.
You absolutely do not have representation though, you 'elect' people in unverified elections, who then 'elect' their own staff of unverified people who can do any fucking policy they want, without any poll, vote or questioning. And if you stop paying taxes because you disagree.You do have representation, though, and the taxes do cover domestic maintenance and funding, as well as overseas aid.
Just because tax money is spent on things you do not like does not make it 'theft' or 'taxation without representation'.
True, and I agree that taxation being theft is a daft idea.do have representation, though
Too late,unfortunately. Unlike the Dems, who have been very careful about keeping their radicals under control, the RNC has constantly given away political power to a tiny but fanatical minority of radicals. Which keeps driving otherwise conservative moderates into the maws of the Democratic Party.why the GOP is better off not listening to the loons it has sometimes attracted
Yeah, sure thing, you go on continuing to act like you aren't 'represented', just because things you don't like happen with your taxes and because 'every election is fraudulent' is now your line to defend your previous stupidity.You absolutely do not have representation though, you 'elect' people in unverified elections, who then 'elect' their own staff of unverified people who can do any fucking policy they want, without any poll, vote or questioning. And if you stop paying taxes because you disagree.
Well.
You know what happens then.
"I" personally don't like the idea of shipping billions of dollars offshore to foreign and potentially hostile nations. Why don't I get a discount on taxes because of this? I never voted for that.
There are issues with the influence of lobbyists and such, as well as term limit issues that are worth discussing.True, and I agree that taxation being theft is a daft idea.
However, there's some merit to the idea that the people who pay the taxes aren't the people who are being represented in Congress and Senate.
The problem is the Left doesn't control it's radicals either, they lionize them (BLM) even after finding out about massive fraud in the organization and it funneling money to Hamas, they use groups like the ATF to harass gun owners and try to pass laws without votes via 'rule making' inside agencies, and keep lying about what happened on Jan 6th (their own agent provocateurs and CI's in the crowds caused Jan 6th to go the way it did, not Trump) to make sure the Dems get the full Riechstag Fire Effect out of it.Too late,unfortunately. Unlike the Dems, who have been very careful about keeping their radicals under control, the RNC has constantly given away political power to a tiny but fanatical minority of radicals. Which keeps driving otherwise conservative moderates into the maws of the Democratic Party.
If America is being subverted by Leftist thought, the RNC and the Radical Right deserve much of the blame because of their ineptitude and insanity respectively.
Oh that's convenient.Yeah, sure thing, you go on continuing to act like you aren't 'represented', just because things you don't like happen with your taxes and because 'every election is fraudulent' is now your line to defend your previous stupidity.
You're just an edgelord lolcow looking to show how edgy your are to your foolish compatriots, not actually engaging in good faith conversation or posting.
Stupid, invalid, tomato, tomato.Oh that's convenient.
"You're just a troll lolcow, so therefore argument invalid, nyah!"
I think most people these days are more clued into politics than ever before.I am being dead serious, your choice to disregard my seriousness is YOUR CHOICE, if you want to argue in bad faith go ahead. Equally if you think that your average joe votes for 99% of shit which happens in politics, you're being ridiculous. Most people can barely name their fucking politicians let alone their policies.
If you say so, but that's like, your opinion man.Stupid, invalid, tomato, tomato.
Allegedly over 50% of voting Americans believe that a pedophile with dementia is a good choice for leadership.I think most people these days are more clued into politics than ever before.