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ATP

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Who knows. I just noticed they pulled a very Mediterranean/ South European kind of thing : adding more bureaucracy or a law or laws just because they can.
Well,people in Mediterranean eat a lot of fisj,japaneese eat a lot of fish,so...beaurocrats are fish? ;)
 

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Bacle

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Is this in any way related to that insane mobile game that had everybody have test tube babies with each other?
No, I don't think so. Though the existence of said mobile game is news to me.

This is a sequel to the 'movie-verse' side of the IP that came out after the TV series and changed several elements of the plot.
 

Zachowon

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Something I wrote about my favorite anime / manga:
Been catching up on it.
I forgot how insane the series gets the further along. Hell I am glad she is writing it ahaon
 

Val the Moofia Boss

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FMP getting another sequel, though this time with Kaname and Sagara as parents.


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Tessa should have won.

I'd like for the FMP anime adaptation to finish, but given how low the production values were for Invisible Victory, the future looks bleak. Doubt the sequel will get an anime either given how the Spice & Wolf anime adaptation didn't finish and its sequel didn't get animated either.

Are there mechs in this FMP sequel?
 

Bacle

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Tessa should have won.

I'd like for the FMP anime adaptation to finish, but given how low the production values were for Invisible Victory, the future looks bleak. Doubt the sequel will get an anime either given how the Spice & Wolf anime adaptation didn't finish and its sequel didn't get animated either.

Are there mechs in this FMP sequel?
I'm still happy Kanama won the Sousuke-bowl.

As for whether it will have the mechs or not, no idea; I'd be surprised if at least Bonta-kun level power armor is still around.
 

ATP

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Tessa should have won.

I'd like for the FMP anime adaptation to finish, but given how low the production values were for Invisible Victory, the future looks bleak. Doubt the sequel will get an anime either given how the Spice & Wolf anime adaptation didn't finish and its sequel didn't get animated either.

Are there mechs in this FMP sequel?
Yesss ! Tessa is da best !
I'm still happy Kanama won the Sousuke-bowl.

As for whether it will have the mechs or not, no idea; I'd be surprised if at least Bonta-kun level power armor is still around.
He...He...Heretic !!!!!!!!! :)
 

Aldarion

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Currently watching the 86. Excellent series - bit political, but it is actually well done. I'm thinking about watching the Mobile Suit Gundam after it, and then... don't know.

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Val the Moofia Boss

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Currently watching the 86. Excellent series - bit political, but it is actually well done.

I thought it was meh.

The 3D CGI mechs looked awful. The backgrounds were photorealistic and boring, and the simple 2D characters overlaid ontop with a lot of filters smeared over looked bad too. The Legion mechs and the Giad uniforms looked good in illustrations, though. Music was forgettable. The show had really impactful sound design. Wish other shows had sound effects that sounded that punchy.

Story wise, the first few episodes with fodder characters dying left and right was intense, but by around episode 7 the show had ran out of fodder characters to burn through and you're just left with the five plot armored characters you see on the poster, and all of the tension evaporates. The heroine is awful. The show also makes the Republic into strawmen and it's tiring. The show gets a little better in season 2 when it ditches the heroine and the Republic, but its still a lot of people standing around and talking about feelings and beating up strawmen.


I'm thinking about watching the Mobile Suit Gundam

Tomino's UC storyline:
  • 0079 has probably the most likeable cast of characters. It also humanized both sides. Everyone feels like a real person rather than a cartoon character or caricature, which is an issue that the rest of the franchise really struggles with. There is also tension as character deaths are strung out across the whole show. Recommended.
  • Zeta Gundam has the novelty of Federation defectors and Zeon veterans teaming up to fight the corrupt Federation, but it was overall a slog to sit through. The main cast is overall unlikeable, and there is little tension. The early part where they are on Earth was okay, but after that the show becomes boring and formulaic as every episode the feddies are attacking the Argama, teenage brats sally out without Bright's permission, the feddies and heroes spray some lasers at each other, and then everyone goes back to base alive. Nobody dies till the end.
  • ZZ Gundam had Judau, who was the most likeable TV Gundam protagonist IMO. He is the man of the house, owns a business, is a good brother, has friends, does the right thing, etc. The show makes Bright very unlikeable, though. Overall better than Zeta but not as enjoyable as 0079.
  • Char's Counterattack: fantastic art and animation, worth watching for that alone. Story is okay. Provides closure to the UC storyline. Recommended.
  • Gundam F91: also has great visuals though the story was a little forgettable. Recommended.

UC OVA spinoffs
  • War in the Pocket was great. Likeable characters, tight story. Great art and aesthetics. Recommend.
  • 08th MS Team: great aesthetics, though the writing of the second half is really wonky. Recommended.
  • Stardust Memory: decent aesthetics, however the characters are boring and the story was a slog. Awful ending. Only good episode was 6 when Kou and the Zeon war vet bonded over rebuilding a mobile armor together so they could have a duel to the death. Skip.

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  • Gundam Thunderbolt: good visuals but I found the story repulsive. Everyone is evil, life is treated like a joke. Meh.
  • Gundam Unicorn: First half to 2/3rds of the story is boring, last stretch of the story is utterly infuriating. The characters were dull as doorknobs. Skip.
  • Gundam Narrative: possibly the worst Gundam show I've ever seen aside from maybe Witch from Mercury. Awful aesthetics. Boring characters, boring story. Absolutely skip if you have a finite lifespan.
  • Gundam the Origin: an unnecessary prequel to 0079 that show's Char's life from birth to becoming a cadet. Nothing really interesting here. Skip.
  • Hathaway's Flash: there were a few cool shots of a city being hit by collateral damage from a mech battle but it was overall meh. Awful aesthetics with flat cartoon characters juxtaposed against boring, photorealistic backgrounds and a bunch of filters smeared over it. 3D CGI mechs. Meh characters. Meh soundtrack. Story is also bleak since by this point UC just keeps rehashing the same story of a corrupt Federation inciting spacenoid revolutionaries who fail and but the Federation doesn't reform and the setting continues to suck. Meh.


AU settings
  • Gundam Wing: had good aesthetics for a TV anime. I liked the European aristocrat outfits and palaces. The main cast of heroes are meh. The antagonist trio of Zechs/Treize/Noein were interesting early on but then get sidelined. The first 20-24 episodes were okay. The unmanned drone mobile suits that showed up around episode 20ish were scary, then after that its boring until the end. The show becomes incoherent as people keep switching sides too often without explanation, and by the end I don't know why people are blowing each other up.
  • Gundam SEED: has an enduring, fervent hatedom but I found it to be okay, actually fun at times. Rare showcase of brotherhood in anime when Kira delivers Athrun's fiance to him even though they're on opposite sides of the war. Don't go in expecting a gritty, realistic war story. It's more of a romantic fairy tale.
  • Gundam SEED Destiny: this was an interesting watch. The first half of the show is from the perspective of ZAFT (AU Zeon). Athrun rejoins ZAFT, but his conscience leads him to keep butting heads with the military chain of command who are only concerned with results and following orders, not doing the right thing, so our protagonist becomes a pariah and has a bad relationship with the Minerva crew. If you go in treating it as a tragedy where it's about people making a lot of really bad decisions and then suffering the consequences for them (juxtaposed against the Archangel crew) then it's enjoyable to watch.
  • Gundam 00: the first 14 episodes were really engaging as the protagonists are being hunted by the world superpowers, and you want to find out how the heroes are going to get out of whatever new trap has been laid for them. Then in episode 15 they get deus ex machinaed out of a bad situation and all of the tension evaporates. Second season and movie were forgettable.
  • Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans: the show was more fun to watch than most AUs as instead of getting more Earth vs orbiting space colonies and pew pew laser spam, the setting is expanded to include Mars and Jupiter, and you get crunchy melee combat with swords and maces. (Sunrise's earlier mech show, The Vision of Escaflowne, had already done melee mech combat at higher production values). Soundtrack was a tad more memorable than your usual Gundam show. Unfortunately the show has wonky writing and can be a slog to watch at times. Has a bombastic finale.
  • Gundam The Witch From Mercury: Gundam in name only. It's actually a high school battle royale revolving around lesbians. Made by people who didn't want to make a Gundam show. Also looks awful. SKIP!


Sunrise's other mecha shows:
  • Dragonar: the first official, unofficial Gundam AU, began airing the week after Gundam ZZ finished and features the same staff. Differentiates itself from the rest of Gundam as instead of having pew pew laser spam, instead the mechs shoot ballistic bullets and missiles against each other. Instead of death stars/colony lasers, you have railguns on the moon chucking rocks at high speed. There are also EWAR mechs. Also unlike your usual Gundam show which follows a whiny, insubordinate or emotional mute teenage protagonist, Dragonar instead follows three young men in their early 20s who actually WANT to train and follow orders. Good aesthetics. I quite enjoyed this show, almost on par with 0079. Recommended.
  • The Vision of Escaflowne: A Final Fantasy anime but with steampunk mechs that fight in melee combat. Great aesthetics, charming world. Sadly the show was supposed to be 36 episodes, but the budget was slashed during production, so after episode 20 they rush to finish the story in just five more episodes, right when the big war was kicking off. Recommended.
  • Gasaraki: boring. There is an interesting background subplot about Japanese military generals plotting to take advantage of a rice famine to break Japan free of the US' control, but the actual moment to moment experience of watching the show was boring. Skip.
  • The Big O: Bruce Wayne is a mech pilot, also has a cute android maid/girlfriend. Sunrise production values. Recommended.
  • Code Geass: there is tension in the first season, but after a string of a lot of ergregious contrivances and deus ex machinas, the tension has evaporated by the end of the first season. Second season was boring. The Akito the Exile movies were mediocre.

I feel like Legend of the Galactic Heroes did all of that far better

LoGH was too long. Too much standing around and talking about high school level philosophy and a lot of the conversations were repetitive. If the fat was trimmed the story could have been 60 or 70 episodes instead of 110. The interesting military plans are frontloaded early on. The last 1/3rd of the show really drags.

A big issue is that the Empire side is just so much more enjoyable to watch than the FPA side. The Empire admirals are likeable heroes and there is a show of brotherhood going on there, and the Federation outfits and backgrounds are aesthetically pleasing to look at. But on the FPA side, most of the characters aren't likeable. They are either desk admirals and aren't very heroic, or just doing their job with no real convictions, or they're unlikeable politicians. Only a small handful of FPA characters like Yang, his logistics friend, and Schenkof were likeable. It's hard to root for Yang when he is so apathetic. The empire characters are making the world a better place, but Yang is just sitting there content with the Federation being corrupt and falling further into decay and is unwilling to address that. And the FPA aesthetics were really drab and boring to look at.
 
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