Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[mrttao]

So, the people of Gaza are all bad and need to be exterminated huh?

> "So you are saying"
Those are your words, not mine.

I didn't make any proposals for solutions here.
I just pointed out your completely and utter misrepresentation of the sitation.

You are trying to pretend though that the death cult does not exist, that the brainwashing does not exist, that the thought police does not exist.
That anyone who tells you that they have a cult and thought police is just a genocidal liar.
That their society thinks exactly like you.

Sure there are some individual Palestinian people who are merely parroting the official party lines while not believing it. because they don't want to be publicly tortured to death for thoughtcrime. But how many are doing that vs how many are true believers in the cult?

You cannot even begin to discuss solutions with you being so detached from reality.

If the Palestinians are that bad, it’s from generations of horrendous persecution by Israel in a densely packed prison-like region that they ethnically cleansed into.

there is so much retardation in this sentence it isn't even funny.

1. if israel ethnically cleansed them. how come 30% of the israeli congress seats are held by them?

2. egypt is the one who placed them here in 1948. Israel only got them decades later in 1967 when it won the 6 days war against egypt.

3. it is not a fucking "prison like region". It was a pretty nice modern cities with all modern amenities and plenty. they had a wall between them and israel, big whoop. they also had sea access to everywhere else in the world.
this is like saying that usa is "abusing" mexicans by "ethnically cleansing them into a prison" by putting up a wall on the border. idiotic.

4. Blaming israel for the death cult is, frankly idiotic. While israel's leaders were morons for not nipping it in the bud. so were every other western nation's leaders. but at the end of the day all they did was walk away. it was palestiniains who created and perpetuated the death cult, brainwashing, and public torture to death of "heretics" for thought crimes

 

[Bacle]

Pallywood???

Are you saying that Palestinians in some way control Hollywood?

That is beyond hilarious.

No, that they have their own media machine and distribution sets ups.

Sort of like Ballywood is India's Hollywood and media empire.

Stop being a collectivist. You are doing the same thing that Leftists do when they talk about settler kids being legitimate targets, and frankly it's gross.

That'd be great evidence, if, ya know, it actually happened? Only he didn't. Literally one person reported that anyone said that, and even then it wasn't him.

And you are being a naive fool who wants to pretend a death cult camp isn't a death cult camp.

The only difference between Jonestown and Gaza is that Hamas is going to use C4 and human shield tactics instead of rat poison and 'Flavoraid'.

I have an article and such to back up what they are claiming Chappelle said, so I'd like to see what evidence you have that this article is wrong or lying about Chappelle and his behavior/actions.

Also, you still haven't put forward a way to deprogram the willing human shields and proto-martyr's Hamas has created in Gaza.

So, the people of Gaza are all bad and need to be exterminated huh?

Wow.

If the Palestinians are that bad, it’s from generations of horrendous persecution by Israel in a densely packed prison-like region that they ethnically cleansed into.

I'm just calling the Hamas death cult camp what it is, and pointing out those handwringing about 'not all of Gaza supports Hamas' aren't putting forward any ideas about how to deprogram said death cult's base of support and aid in Gaza.

Israel shouldn't be putting the lives of any of it's citizens or soldiers above the lives of Hamas supporters and sympathizers.

They are there because they lost a war, not because they are a deathcult. There's no easy way to leave Gaza, so once Hamas seized power, there was no real way to get out.

Hamas is literally a death cult, though; either their deaths or the deaths of Jews, and the people in Gaza still get payments for martyred family members.

Also, there are ways to leave Gaza; the recon Hamas used for the attack was provided by Gazan's who had gone into Israel on work visa's and such, a program which was actually expanded not that long ago.

 

[Abhorsen]

And you are being a naive fool who wants to pretend a death cult camp isn't a death cult camp.

Yes, clearly the newborns instinctually want to murder the Jews. You know, just like the settler babies are legitimate targets too.

I have an article and such to back up what they are claiming Chappelle said, so I'd like to see what evidence you have that this article is wrong or lying about Chappelle and his behavior/actions.

Maybe you should have read your article then? The article that didn't say that Chapelle said go Hamas?


Man, the more you talk, the more of a Neocon you come across as.

Weren't the Palestinians given Jordanian and Egyptian citizenship after the war?

Not really. Some were allowed in. Some stayed. And so when Israel invaded and took the lands, they ended up getting the population on the lands. And then moving between became a lot harder. There wasn't forced movement, more that they stopped further movement because of the takeover attempts.

 

[Bacle]

Yes, clearly the newborns instinctually want to murder the Jews. You know, just like the settler babies are legitimate targets too.

If Hamas want to use their own children as human shields, then the blood of those children is on Hamas, not on Israel.

Israel doesn't use it's own people as human shields, Hamas does, and gets those human shields from a brainwashed death cult of a populace they've created.

If Hamas wanted to meet Israel in uniformed, open battle away from any civies, I'm sure Israel would happily oblige them, but Hamas wants those human shields in place.

Maybe you should have read your article then? The article that didn't say that Chapelle said go Hamas?

While that was awful in itself, what made my heart sink and started to invoke fear was when the crowd of nearly 20,000 people started yelling out "Go Palestine. Go Hamas." and other related hatful jargon. The audience was cheering Chappelle on during his tirade.

Yeah, if Chappelle is cheering on and amping up a crowd that is spewing a bunch of antisemitic lies from Pallywood propaganda, and using the excuse of 'because he's a Muslim' (who just happens to still smoke weed and drink, very haram) to try to pretend he's being 'reasonable'.

Man, the more you talk, the more of a Neocon you come across as.

Again, the Neo-cons have been proven right about Russia, and now right about Iran and their proxies in the MidEast.

The neo-cons weren't wrong originally, but Bush Jr.'s fuck ups wanting to please Daddy did leave a stain on them that made people ignore their warnings, when the neo-cons have been proven right several times over when it comes to foreign policy.

Fucking quote is all jacked.

 

[mrttao]

Yes, clearly the newborns instinctually want to murder the Jews. You know, just like the settler babies are legitimate targets too.

Which part of "brainwashing death cult" says "inborn instinct" to you?

Brainwashing cult is literally the opposite of inborn instinct.
If it was inborn instinct, the hamas would not need to execute so many people for "heresy" / "sympathy" and other thought crimes.

What is your solution then?
Take away their children because the children are still innocent?
because you say that this is genocide too.

And obviously you cannot even begin to advocate for such a thing if people deny the existence of the death cult.

With the western woke death cult at least they inflict death on themselves and require constant conversions. So you simply need to deny them access to other people's children.
With the hamas death cult though... they have 12+ children each.

they literally have "martyr" costumes for babies

 

[mrttao]

Anyways, I am NOT advocating any solutions.

I am only correcting people who are wrong on the internet when they claim there is no death cult. just a bunch of totally innocent civilians.

Realistically? Israel is not going to even try to deprogram them.
And certainly does not have any intent of genociding them despite what individual commoner jews might want.

The situation will either be kicked down the road for a few years by doing nothing.
Or most likely they are going to be put on boats as rapefugees.

Muslim countries all have already explicitly refused to take them in.
China, india, africa, and south america sure as fuck won't take them.
Western nations will virtue signal hard and take them in as rapefugees.
I hope you are ready. because the death cult is coming to your shores next

 

[Marduk]

So, the people of Gaza are all bad and need to be exterminated huh?

Wow.

If the Palestinians are that bad, it’s from generations of horrendous persecution by Israel in a densely packed prison-like region that they ethnically cleansed into.

No, Palestinians are that bad because they are yet another, and unfortunately most likely not the last manifestation of militant Islam. A plague pre-dating the very existence of Israel by over a millenium. There's absolutely nothing special about Hamas, it's just the region's same shit, different day. If not there, it would be somewhere else, and if not now, it would be some other decade. I'm disappointed in some people being willing to excuse or simply not recognize this particular very, very old enemy of the West just to stick it to the establishment (the same who tell you to "not look back in anger" when some other faction of this enemy strikes the West itself, so who are you sticking it to really) and/or the Jews. Guiltmongering navel-gazing propositions are nothing but an infestation with leftist cultural influence that needs to be berated relentlessly, we don't need this bullshit on the right at all.

 

[Abhorsen]

If Hamas want to use their own children as human shields, then the blood of those children is on Hamas, not on Israel.

You are moving your goalposts. Previously, you said all of Gaza is Hamas. Now it's "all non-baby Gazans are hamas". And I could poke more holes, but why bother with you? Your head needs extracting first, as it's dark in there and apparently you can't read:

Your article's quote:

While that was awful in itself, what made my heart sink and started to invoke fear was when the crowd of nearly 20,000 people started yelling out "Go Palestine. Go Hamas." and other related hatful jargon. The audience was cheering Chappelle on during his tirade.

Your claim:

He literally said 'Go Hamas'

Do you see the problem here? Let's look at who said what. The article says "the crowd started yelling." You turned that into Chappelle somehow. Again, read what you cite. If you had, you might have noticed this:

Chappelle first condemned the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas militants, but criticized what he said were war crimes in Gaza, according to people in attendance.

Not to mention, that I frankly don't believe the person who claimed this. "An single anonymous person said (on facebook, btw, not even an interview) that suddenly 20k people gathered for a comedy show started shouting "Go Hamas", reported by AFAICT one news place. I'm calling BS. I bet some people did, but 20 thousand, all shouting that, but not using slogans like from the river to the sea? I fucking doubt it. It's about as believable as the 4 year old asking their celebrity mom if it's safe under Trump.


Again, you are competing for resident neocon, clutching at pearls about what a comedian didn't even say, because it was the slightest bit critical of your side, then blew it outta proportion. It's pathetic.

Which part of "brainwashing death cult" says "inborn instinct" to you?

He's saying all Gazans. I'm pointing out that clearly not all gazans, by using the most obvious example, (not that there aren't others). For other examples, Hamas doesn't even have very high approval. It goes below Biden numbers.

TBC, Gaza is a death cult, and a lot of the adults even not in Hamas bear responsibility. But not all of them. And collectivism is how one justifies murdering settler babies.

 

[mrttao]

You are moving your goalposts. Previously, you said all of Gaza is Hamas. Now it's "all non-baby Gazans are hamas".

You are being pedantic to try and get a "gotcha".

Obviously he is making a clarification of
> "I obviously didn't mean the babies, duh"
rather than moving the goal posts.

as a response to your "what about the babies" question.
there are only so many disclaimers and qualifiers people can cram into every individual post on a subject

 

[Abhorsen]

You are being pedantic to try and get a "gotcha".

Obviously he is making a clarification of
> "I obviously didn't mean the babies, duh"
rather than moving the goal posts.

as a response to your "what about the babies" question.
there are only so many disclaimers and qualifiers people can cram into every individual post on a subject

The issue is the no true Scotsman problem. You put enough qualifiers on it, and suddenly, calling Gaza Hamas gets more and more wrong.

Babies was just the first step. Then I would have pointed out opinion polls, that 40% of gazans are under 18, etc. Probably a majority of adult Gazans are pro hamas. But still don't collectivize.

Because there's another reason I used babies: those who collectivize will lose perspective, and eventually consider the babies an enemy too.

 

[Bacle]

You are being pedantic to try and get a "gotcha".

Obviously he is making a clarification of
> "I obviously didn't mean the babies, duh"
rather than moving the goal posts.

as a response to your "what about the babies" question.
there are only so many disclaimers and qualifiers people can cram into every individual post on a subject

It is just about getting a gotcha.

Continuing to try to use 'Neo-con' to insult me, when I've repeatedly said I think that Neo-cons have been proven right about many things, shows how shallow the argument he is trying to make really is.

The issue is the no true Scotsman problem. You put enough qualifiers on it, and suddenly, calling Gaza Hamas gets more and more wrong.

Babies was just the first step. Then I would have pointed out opinion polls, that 40% of gazans are under 18, etc. Probably a majority of adult Gazans are pro hamas. But still don't collectivize.

Because there's another reason I used babies: those who collectivize will lose perspective, and eventually consider the babies an enemy too.

Hamas considers Jew babies enemies, and has shown that very, disgustingly thoroughly. They actually consider all Christian babies and other faith's babies enemies too.

The more you let Hamas use human shield tactics, the more people die needlessly at Hamas's hand.

And let me remind you, the other 'non-Hamas' factions in Gaza tend to be fucking Islamic Jihad or similar "lesser" jihadi groups.

And the Christian Palestinians who go along with all this shit have no one to blame but themselves, instead of leaving that death cult camp.

Hamas already 'collectivized' you, me, and every fucking non-Muslim/non 'right' Muslim on the planet. All they respect is strength and the willingness to kill/die for what you desire/believe in.

Stop letting the enemies of this nation and of civilization use your compassion for their own dishonest ends; that is the real flaw of the Libertarians, you rely on expecting others to see your isolationist views as charity/wisdom, instead of weakness to be exploited.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Hamas has insisted on making this war a messy affair. Whatever blood stains Israel’s hands is not something you can be too angry with them over.

Intentionally targeting civilians is a terrible thing, but sometimes you just can’t avoid it. Was RAF Bomber Command or the 8th Air Force monstrous for flattening Germany? Or were we at war with a villain who ensured it could only end in fire?

 

[Scottty]

If collective guilt is a thing, then we abandon the very foundations of Western civilization. If collective guilt is a thing then the murder of Israeli civilians was justified, as were the 9/11 attacks, as is every war crime committed in history.

If we apply collective guilt then the only thing that separates any side in any war is who has the most military power.

Quite.
Western civilization is founded in individual rights, individual freedom, and individual accountability.

Leftists who push "collective responsibility" on Westerners are doing so from hostile motives. Basically attempting to demoralize us so that they can kill us all and take all our stuff.

But some non-Western cultures really are collectivist, really do not understand (or want to) about individual human rights. They have to be dealt with on that basis, because it's the only thing they understand.

The important point here though, is that the whole question about blame and responsibility is in practical terms, rather beside the point. If a stranger breaks into your home at night, you don't worry about what he deserves, your proper concern is protecting your own life and property.

Likewise with a terrorist death cult.
One does not kill Orcs because one judges them as personally to blame for what Melkor did to their ancestors when he had them as prisoners in Utumno.
No, you kill Orcs because if you don't, they will kill you!

Pallywood???

Are you saying that Palestinians in some way control Hollywood?

That is beyond hilarious.

LOL! No, the Satanic pedophiles who control Hollywood are not taking orders from Team Snackbar.
"Pallywood" is just short for "Palestinian version of Hollywood" - ie the propaganda movies they make to spread their worldview.

 

[TheRejectionist]

He literally said 'Go Hamas' and repeated Pallywood lies.

Hard to say he actually condemned Hamas if he came back and started saying 'Go Hamas'.

He was accused of saying that. You have no proof beyond a Breitbart article based on a Facebook post. @Abhorsen pointed out :

That'd be great evidence, if, ya know, it actually happened? Only he didn't. Literally one person reported that anyone said that, and even then it wasn't him.

 

[Sir 1000]

Genocide is the worst of the worst of the "evil options" open to Israel and is never going to happen, yes; one of the "least evil" worst would be along the lines of just occupying the Strip fully and annexing it, but that would be an utter clusterfuck on its own (refugees flooding into other countries, like Egypt, Europe as a whole, et cetera).

Oh, that's awful, you say? Yeah, that's the point I'm making -- there are no other good alternatives, especially when one of the two parties will not negotiate and is a fanatical death cult adhering to a falsely-created and appropriated mythology.

My stance before was that Israel now knows this and they're being forced to do something to end this abscess for good, but it looks like they're just stupidly kicking the can down the road again despite the Palestinians constantly escalating and trying to kill them.

Maybe in ten, twenty years or so when something more horrific happens, like the Palestinians killing thousands of innocent civilians in the middle of Jerusalem in one blow, will they fucking finally realize that kicking the can down the road isn't working.

At least the mask has finally slipped for the Palestinians as a whole, though -- after what we're seeing in "diversity is our strength" European capitals such as London, with the hordes of "poor, Palestinian refugees" celebrating in rallies, mobbing and attacking people like rabid animals, even a lot of the Left are waking up to reality.

The ''mask'' as reported by the oh so trustworthy mass media? Bringing you such hits like January 6th was terrorism, Diversity is our strength, Fuck whitey(that's a good thing) and many more. It seems to me from looking at social media to be the opposite at least on the ones with some measure of free speech when it comes to mask slipping

 

[Scottty]

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The attacks of Hamas.
One should mention that there really is no separation between Gaza and Hamas

Saying that would get you banned on almost every major Internet community.

 

[Jormungandr]

The ''mask'' as reported by the oh so trustworthy mass media? Bringing you such hits like January 6th was terrorism, Diversity is our strength, Fuck whitey(that's a good thing) and many more. It seems to me from looking at social media to be the opposite at least on the ones with some measure of free speech when it comes to mask slipping

The "mask" is that many in the West, especially those on the Left, believed the lie that the Palestinians are victims of oppression and are oh-so innocent.

This attack, with or without MSM interference, has ripped that mask off completely, so only die hard Leftists and the most stupid out there aren't seeing that the Palestinians are essentially death cultists. Mothers would have no issue with sending their children out as suicide bombers, or be bait to be shot at when near security checkpoints. Kids and teens all over are being taught how to use rifles because they're the "next generation" of militants.

They are Hamas, and Hamas is them.

They're not "innocent victims" because even those outside of Israel and the Strip, such those "refugees" in European capitals, are acting like fucking animals on the streets.

The mask has slipped, and people are seeing it in full now.

Saying that would get you banned on almost every major Internet community.

He's not wrong.

There will always be outliers as in any group, and children who haven't been exposed to indoctrination yet (IIRC they start at five) in media and schools are innocent (unless it's started at home earlier or they're brainwashed by anti-Israel cartoons), but the rest? The men, women, and older kids/teens? They support Hamas fully because they've been indoctrinted over generations.

They're a death cult based on a lie.

 

[Terthna]

Saying that would get you banned on almost every major Internet community.

What was that quote anti-semites love regurgitating?

"If you would know who controls you see who you may not criticize."

 

[Jormungandr]

What was that quote anti-semites love regurgitating?

"If you would know who controls you see who you may not criticize."

Well, students at Harvard and other universities are finding that out.

Firms and companies have openly stated they're blackballing the students supporting Palestine from their industries before they've even graduated, and a lot of these companies hire workers while they're still in education. That's basically a career abortion, not a career-killer.

You know why? The business owners, founders, board members, and CEO's are Jewish or pro-Israel.

The universities themselves are in trouble because a lot of their richest donors are, you guessed it, fucking Jewish. They've stopped their donations entirely.

The regret is setting in for supporting Palestine, and they're beginning to panic, especially the students.