CarlManvers2019
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How many people even think on it? Also, somehow I think there’d be less of a problem from “critics” if humans went to outer space and were a monarchy
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How many people even think on it? Also, somehow I think there’d be less of a problem from “critics” if humans went to outer space and were a monarchy
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Human powers would be called fascist by modern popular culture for much less than the Turians do. How is it possible to say the Turian government is functionally different from the Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni?
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What Verhoeven is really angry about is "unsophisticated", "stupid", "lowest-common denominator" American cultural products being dominant in Europe. That's what really makes it sting for him.
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Thank you for the reminder, that's actually several times worse than Italian Fascism and directly comparable to Einsatzgruppen.
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Their approach to occupation is to herd everybody into "safe camps" - anybody who doesn't go into a camp, gets executed by aforementioned death squads. Turians are actually supremely fucked up. Wow.
CarlManvers2019
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How many people look that much into the lore? I’d think THAT be used in a Mass Effect bashfic
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The Turian government and civic society is their military - there's no distinction between any of the three. That's a level of regimentation and authoritarianism that no society IRL has come even remotely close to. Not even the Galactic Empire or the Imperium of Man reach that.
It's right there on the Wiki for anyone to look at.
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I would assume most people just don't process the implications of it because it's so absurdly bad that it doesn't really quite register.
Why? That just ruins them.
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Given their adherence to military matters this may sound logical in theory.
Urban warfare is a bloody business so by having willing volunteers to be part of the execution squad who will sacrifice their lives for a grisly business to separate hostiles from the civilians in maintaining order it makes maintaining order easier after invasion.
Hastatim they're called.
That just invites reprisal from other powers though. Mass murdering their civilians/putting them into camps would rightly be considered an atrocity and thus fuel the need for vengeance.
Arch Dornan
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That's where being the council's enforcer protects them and having a strong military that their entire society is to raise one from birth.
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Which is a Roman military term for third-line units, essentially suggesting that the Hastatim are simply people who don't cut it elsewhere... But any problems with using them in this role are obviated by the fact that it's their job to simply massacre every civilian that they see. While it has a certain kind of twisted logic, what it does mean is that there are only two forms of war for Turians, either the enemy plays by the established rules, or it is a total war to final extermination. And it's a crime either way.
Arch Dornan
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It certainly is. Something Aliens do within their logic until it's challenged.
From CDN it looks to be a modified tactic from how the British would take eventually beat the Boer's guerilla attacks.
They're deployed for Turian separatists so to call them out on an internal issue can be much harder.
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It certainly is. Something Aliens do within their logic until it's challenged.
From CDN it looks to be a modified tactic from how the British would take eventually beat the Boer's guerilla attacks.
They're deployed for Turian separatists so to call them out on an internal issue can be much harder.
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It’s still quite literally death squads, and I thought democracy was a central conceit of Council space.
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An argument I've heard about this is that the Citadel is meant to be something along the lines of a United Nations* (in space.) As such, the Council doesn't have as much power as people think they do, and mainly they serve as representatives of their government (in a similar role to the UN Security Council.) The codex is also cited, in that the Batarians are unable to wage war as a result of Citadel sanctions, and their state-sponsored terrorism is all they could pretty much do.
*Something I've never understood is how this jives with the whole Spectre organization. I would guess that, behind the scenes, there are a lot of unspoken rules and agreements that boil down to "In theory, you are above the law. In practice, don't press your luck." Which, seems to kind of be implied, but... I don't know. There's something about the Spectres that, if a similar organization was proposed for the UN, everyone involved would vote nay to. And the fact that Spectres do exist implies that the Citadel has some power and ability to influence their constituent nations, as opposed to the UN.
Anyway, on the topic of Starship Troopers. Contrary to the popular progressive opinion, I don't believe that it depicts (or was meant to depict) a fascist society. I don't think it would work as well as Heinlein wrote it, and the problems in that system I think, could lead to fascism in the future, but I don't think it was.
It is pretty surprising or rather it should be but such silliness is old hat for the Citadel, and I find it stupid that this policy somehow works. If anything it would stiffen the resolve of the fighters. Maybe we should have a thread for discussing this in greater detail?